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 Posted 01/20/2011  4:16 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add flashinm to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I'm hoping this will fetch MS63. What do you think?

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 Posted 01/20/2011  4:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kempire to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Don't know if they are contact marks, but I looks like someone may have tried to clean it with sandpaper... I am very new to this but I would say 63++ if that is normal bag marks. Mike
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 Posted 01/20/2011  5:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add fenton to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm going to say AU Details, Cleaned
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 Posted 01/20/2011  6:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I see what appears to be some hairline on both sides, so I believe the coin was at least wiped. That would probably keep it from going higher than MS-63. Otherwise the details look MS-64 to me.
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 Posted 01/20/2011  9:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add carmykle to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I don't think I could make a determination about the hairlines without it in hand. I say 64.
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 Posted 01/21/2011  02:24 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add aladinslamp to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I would buy AU coins like that all Day long.... But it has been wiped...considered cleaned....very nice coin
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 Posted 01/21/2011  09:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add fenton to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yeah I don't think we can consider a cleaned coin to be mint state - they don't have cleaners at the mint (!)

So really AU details is maximum grade but perhaps I'd pay low-MS money since the coin is otherwise very nice.
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 Posted 01/21/2011  8:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Las_Vegas_Larry to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
My guess this photo was shot with axial lighting. That type of lighting attempts to hide a myriad of problems and is not the right light to guess grades by. With a more direct lighting source the coin will show many more contact marks. I think it is a MS60/61. I don.t see any wear.
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 Posted 01/21/2011  8:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add fenton to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yeah that too obviously photographed with some "trick lighting" I see all kinds of problems hiding in the fields that are not exposed by this angle
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 Posted 01/21/2011  9:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add flashinm to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Haha, the pictures are mine and I assure you it wasn't to obscure anything. I am new to coins so I used my standard ebay setup which consists of an off camera flash and a shoot through umbrella. Thankfully though, I found Superdaves setup and set up something similar using to gooseneck LED lights from IKEA ($10 ea.) so here are some better pictures. This coin really has a proof like finish, but I haven't figured out a good to photograph that. There are a lot of bag marks and some cleaning marks, but nothing major.

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 Posted 01/21/2011  10:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add fenton to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks better in the new photos perhaps MS63 PL hairlines are more forgivable on a PL coin since those mirror fields show every flaw
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