Post Abdication Folles Of Diocletian And Maximianus

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maridvnvm Pillar of the Community United Kingdom 2100 Posts	Posted 01/21/2011 06:41 am I wanted to share the following coins. Not only are they nice examples of post abdication folles of Diocletian and Maximianus Herculius but also have some additional interest to numismatists. Diocletian as Senior Augustus Follis, (first coin) Obv:-- D N DIOCLETIANO FELICISSIMO SEN AVG, laureate bust right in imperial mantle, olive branch in right hand, mappa in left Rev:-- PROVIDENTIA DEORVM QVIES AVGG, Providentia standing right, extending right hand to Quies standing left, branch upward in right hand, vertical sceptre in left Minted in Cyzicus (not Trier) ( S F / KS //PTR) Reference:-- RIC VI Trier 677a (Rated Rare) I also have a link to a larger image of the coin in case anyone is interested:- http://www.forumancientcoins.com/ga...41br_img.jpg It is attributed by RIC to Trier (Treveri), but a comparison of portrait styles and an examination of follis hoards reveals that this issue was not struck in Trier but in Cyzicus. It would appear that the prototypes for this type were made in Trier and then exported to the other mints for their implementation of the type. It would appear that when the engravers at Cyzicus made their first copies they copied everything, including the PTR mintmark and then added their own mintmark in the centre field. Someone must have realised their mistake and the issue is relatively short-lived and is followed by an issue without the PTR in exe and the Cyzicus mintmark moved to the exe. This is illustrated in the second coin attached:- Maximianus Herculius as Senior Augustus Follis, (second coin) Obv:-- D N MAXIMIANO FELICISSIMO SEN AVG, laureate bust right in imperial mantle, olive branch in right hand, mappa in left Rev:-- PROVIDENTIA DEORVM QVIES AVGG, Providentia standing right, extending right hand to Quies standing left, branch upward in right hand, vertical sceptre in left Minted in Cyzicus (S F // KD). A.D. 305-306 Reference:- RIC VI Cyzicus 23b (Scarce) Again a link to a larger image:- http://www.forumancientcoins.com/ga...46cl_img.jpg I think that they make a pleasing pair of coins. Regards, Martin Report this Post to the Staff

echizento Moderator United States 23731 Posts	Posted 01/21/2011 11:32 am Very interesting coins, thank for sharing. Report this Post to the Staff
bobbyhelmet Pillar of the Community United Kingdom 2838 Posts	Posted 01/22/2011 05:19 am Nice coins and interesting info. Thought I would share this one as its a recent Diocletian I bought, not a post abdication though. Having trouble finding a RIC number to fit the 'MIL-ITVM XXI' combination but it has a lot of silvering and is very, very nice in hand. My pictures dont really do the silvering justice but the sellers pics were even worse, couldn't see any silvering on those which, I think is why I got it for Â£10. Report this Post to the Staff
jamesicus Valued Member United States 167 Posts	Posted 01/23/2011 10:52 am Very nice coins, Martin. Here is my London Mint exemplar from the same series: DN DIOCLETIANO FELICISSIMO SEN AVG ............. PROVIDENTIA DEORVM QVIES AVGG RIC VI, Londinium, No. 77a - DIOCLETIAN Actual size of coin weight: 9.7 grams Abdication coinage: AD 305 - Diocletian wearing Imperial mantle, holding olive branch and mappa. Reverse depicts Providentia extending a hand to Quies (symbolizing tranquility & peaceful rest). This issue -- RIC no. 76 & no. 77 in the names of Diocletian & Maximian Herculius -- ends the "large folles" series of approx. 11.0-9.0 gm weight. Added historical note: In AD 303 the two Augusti of the first Tetrarchy, Diocletian and Maximian Herculius, announced their intention to simultaneously abdicate and retire (Maximian somewhat reluctently) their titles and authority to be assumed by the Caesars (Constantius and Galerius Maximian) who in turn would appoint new Caesars thus perpetuating the Tetrarchic system. Diocletian and Maximian did in fact abdicate and retire in 305 to become Seniores Augusti. James Edited by jamesicus 01/23/2011 11:40 am Report this Post to the Staff
jamesicus Valued Member United States 167 Posts	Posted 01/27/2011 4:14 pm Commemorative abdication reduced weight folles were issued in the summer of AD 307: DN DIOCLETIANO PFS AVG ........................... QVIES AVGG - PLN (exergue) RIC VI, (Londinium), No. 98 -- Diocletian Actual size of coin weight: 9.1 grams * Obverse: Diocletian laureate and cuirassed bust right * Reverse: Quies holding branch downward, (rh) leaning on sceptre (lh) Legend abbreviations: DN= Dominor Nostro - our Lord PFS= Pius Felix Seniore ("happy" retired Augustus) QVIES= Peace and tranquility AVGG= the two Augusti (Diocletian and Maximian) PLN= one of the London mint marks (Pecunia Londinium) James Edited by jamesicus 01/28/2011 08:57 am Report this Post to the Staff
maridvnvm Pillar of the Community United Kingdom 2100 Posts	Posted 01/28/2011 05:04 am There are also these reduced weight folles with shortened legends. This one being an example from Alexandria. Obv:-- D N DIOCLETIANO BAEATISS, laureate, mantled bust right holding mappa Rev:-- PROVIDENTIA DEORVM, Providentia standing left, extending branch to Quies standing opposite Minted in Alexandria ( B / KP //ALE). A.D. 308 - 310 Reference:-- RIC VI Alexandria 109 Regards, Martin Report this Post to the Staff
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