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Valued Member
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The comment about 'a decade ago shops lolling people referring to varieties/etc.', Literally just happened to me when I went in to one. Asked a few easy questions and was told it's all just normal stuff, I got more of a rewarding experience out of my visit with some of the other customers that were there instead lol.
Iirc I was told "Not to really even go on the internet, all of those guys are full of it". What brought me in there actually was the Ike 72' and how to really tell which variety was which and how to really tell, before I even pulled the one I had out of my pocket, I was told to just spend it. Yup
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Pillar of the Community
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Honestly, you'll likely get that attitude from most dealers with shops- They know "everything" if they don't understand it, it's junk. Die Variety enthusiasts generally pursue knowledge. Dealers pursue dollars. In most cases the two seem to be in conflict.... The photo at the top of the post is of a 1965 DDO #1 Washington quarter. When I was 12, I found one in circulation. I took it to my local dealer and was told that unless it's a 1955 penny, it's worthless. I SPENT IT. Less than a month later, I watched a VHS tape of Bill Fivaz and JT Stanton doing a slide show presentation on die varieties. And there is saw it!! MY QUARTER. I even got mad when they suggested a value of $500! From that day on, I vowed to educate myself. My opinion still isn't exactly accepted by most of the dealers in town. They understand when I show them a book, but don't "get it". I'm sure they think of me as a whacknut. Except for the dealers who I now chose to spend a few thousand a month with. There are a few decent dealers out there who have the "more power to you" attitude. Find one and ally yourself with him. A couple of my local dealers know me so well that they rent me coins- seriously, I pay 10 cents each to search a bag of Buffalo nickels, pay twice the asking price for anything I keep and everyone is happy. There are some decent normal dealers out there, ya just gotta find them. |
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One more thing I wanted to mention, with more and more of these varieties coming into play, and possibly as far as higher technology being instilled which every member here can now get a piece of. People are able to see things that were impossible back then with the Naked Eye, Look at Crime Scene Forensics, and compare that to what the guys are doing over at https://www.maddieclashes.com, see a correlation? I do, and I'm completely intrigued/nearly obsessed with truly finding out why my coin looks the way it does. No it's not PMD/normal Mr.OldSchool/Close-Minded/dealer, there's something truly going on on some coins and realizing some of the work that those guys really put into this, it's rewarding even for me, makes you really appreciate, and wonder what kind of treatment they got coming up to where they are now. Maybe it's just me, I'm very stubborn and have always been a problem solver/and great at math/patterns/etc.. Driven to figure out the reasons behind something (sometimes feels like a curse lol), So these guys just make my life that much better by identifying some of the traits and aspects of different mint results. On another note, I think there are honestly way more important discoveries/varieties that haven't even been found, maybe it's just the perception of the person holding the coin that makes you see something someone else doesn't? I would love to have a glimpse of where this hobby(maybe more like industry to some) will be in 10-15 years. But ehh I'm new, maybe a little over-optimistic so who knows right? Happy hunting guys |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Chris - welcome.
I would like to start a dialogue with you through email if you wish. Please email me at cd@coppercoins.com
thanks
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Jason at Maddieclashes is amazing. You're entirely right, what he's able to figure out with superimposed overlays is quite impressive. He's definitely leading that area of the field. I've fallen on him a couple of times and will always defer to his opinion after examination of a coin.
I think that's something many of us have in common in E/V coins- each of us broke the mold so to speak. Many found their way into varieties after being unsatisfied with what their local dealer's opinion. I've always been the type to question- I don't accept what's said because so and so says so, I need to verify for myself.
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Pillar of the Community
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Most dealers don't know nearly as much as they think they do. I prove that every time I go to a show and walk away with 3-5 times the value in coins as money I spend...and I give them exactly what they want for the coins - I don't try talking anyone down at shows.
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To dicker over a cherrypicked varieties insulting to a dealer if they're aware of what you're looking for. It's certainly important to be respectful and use tact- I share my finds with the dealers who are mildly interested and don't say a word to the ones that treat the subject with contempt. I know that at a younger age, I had a proclivity to brag about my finds to the dealer, that'll only burn bridges. A real fine line to walk....
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