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1909 V.d.b Proof?

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Here are pictures of an actual authenticated Proof 1909 v.d.b and a picture of mine. This coin I also had looked at and was urged to send it out to be slabbed also. I'm expect some more scrutiny and its appreciated and keeps me from gettin over enthusiastic. My microscope is old and the lighting and color is impossible to capture. Anyone with advice and a good one to get is much appreciated.

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I can't tell from your pictures, but you need to check for the diagnostics...

Okay, I can't post a direct link so here goes, a bit of plagiarism.

Heavy die polish lines in front of the nose.

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Single die polish line going from the back of Abe's coat to under the are of liberty.

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And lastly, the crescent-shaped die chip to the right of the "M" in UNUM on the reverse. Very noticeable on the example you posted.

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It has the chip and the die scratches, I will post those pics too
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That would be quite a find, they're by far the most rare matte proof Lincoln with only 420 issued.
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Yes it would be, especially since the rims don't look like an MPL.
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Yeah, thad, I noticed that as well. Usually the rims look really nice and squared off... not so on that example.

If it has the chip and scratches, then what? I mean, it COULD be a circulation strike with the old proof dies, I know it was brought up on CT that some of the dies may have been reused on circulation strikes.
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The rims don't look correct for a proof. For reference here's a pic of my PCGS PR66RB. Just kidding! I don't own any $80,000 coins but this one is worth close to that amount!

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Now....THAT is an MPL!
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LincError- Were you asking about a microscope? I have a recommendation for you- I use an AmScope microscope- it is a stereo microscope which came with a 10MP digital camera which sets right into the eyepiece. This set up takes fantastic professional quality photos- has a back light and another light from beneath.......the best part about this machine? THE PRICE!
I paid under $250 including shipping, came with software, camera and scope, everything you need. You can find the manufacturer's website online, it's wwww.amscope.com
A word of caution- look throughly at their models. They sell many hundred types, some costing tens of thousands of dollars. What you're looking for is a model which magnifies either 20x and 40x or 30x and 60x, if you get anything stronger you're not going to be able to capture the image you need.
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The VDB is different on the proof reverse than on the business strikes. On the proofs the period between the D and B is centered between the letters. On the business strikes it is up against the D. While they MAY have used retired proof dies for business strikes I haven't seen one yet. But if your coin shows a business strike VDB it is not a proof. Or at least I don't know of any.
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Conder101, I have a 1909 vdb. I saw your comment about the period being centered between the d and b on the matte proof. Is this one of the authentication criteria?
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