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 Posted 02/14/2011  11:42 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Cud Wild to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I bought these 2 coins bout 10 yrs ago. This was the last time I ever bought any coins from anyone. Ever since the day I bought them I kept thinking they are counterfeit. If they are counterfeit explain why so I know. If they are real explain how you can tell.

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 Posted 02/15/2011  02:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add svslav to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It's hard to assess coins from photographs with 100% guarantee, but I see nothing about Elizabeth I sixpence that would raise a red flag. Those are fairly common, everything seems to be in place, the crescent MM is correct for the year.
I can't quite make out the legend on the halfpenny to say much about it or to attribute it (looking at Britannia and the king's effigy I'd venture a guess of George II but I don't see any confirmation of that in the legend), but that wouldn't be worth the trouble of counterfeiting either. Unless it's a contemporary counterfeit in which case it wouldn't be any less valuable to collectors than a real one.
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 Posted 02/15/2011  03:53 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I believe the halfpenny is an American Post-Colonial, Connecticut "AUCTORI CONNEC" type. Better pics of this one posted in the Classic US coins section will help verify this piece.
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 Posted 02/15/2011  09:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add swamperbob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Cud Wild Both coins look real to me - at least no big red flags.

Better (larger scans) might show something BUT they look good. The English coin of Elizabeth I uses designs that are consistant with the real types from this era. There are hammered and milled coins issued for her reign and this one looks typical of the more commonhammered types. The way the coin refects light, the color and the dark patina all look as they should.

The half Penny is definitely a Connecticut variety. It is not clear enough to type but would be worth in the $100 range minimum. There are many very rare varieties of this coin that can be identified by die type. Maris did a great job developing the die sequence for these coins and the more recent book by David Bowers on US colonial issues adds a few more dies. It should be relatively easy to determine the die marriage and relative rarity.
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I see it now. I wasn't even thinking colonial, and since I'm not familiar at all with those no wonder the legend seemed a mystery to me. And, then, I guess I was right with the identity of the bloke?
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 Posted 02/15/2011  1:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Cud Wild to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the replys. I was figuring if the sixpence was real its worth about $20. Is that about right? The colonial coin is also rainbow toned does that increase the value at all? My wife is a professional photographer so shes going to take a better pic of the coin for me and Ill post it on the US coin section.
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Rainbow toning on well-worn copper is usually indicates that the coin has been cleaned at some point.
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It probably was cleaned at one point in time. I didnt pay much for these coins so I'm happy either way.
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