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I personally don't like to include shipping in the price of the coin, ie. Free Shipping. It varies especially when you have to calculate in insurance or International shipping.
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st of all guys,
the seller was under NO obligation to reduce his shipping cost.
However, to charge that kind of money for an envelope and a 59 cent stamp is F%$#@%^ wrong , well I do not want to be censored here....
Seller was under absolutely NO threat whatsoever.
HOWEVER, had he not reduced this ridiculous cost, I would have fwd his response to Feeebay. He knows what he is doing is wrong!!
SO, jump on me or do whatever you think is appropriate, I will do exactly the same again.. and actually have done numerous times. every time with success.
It is about time to do something about the sellers who try and make extra money from honest buyers.
as I said yesterday, Zonad opened a huge can of worms here... but more later.
just this for now: How do sellers back up their so called " insurance extra, or included? YOU tell me. And please do not tell me about Postal limitation on shipments. and also NOT what you think is facts. Facts only please....
the can opener is just being dug out.... is not even set..... Uhhhhh eb(fee)bay is not going to like me....
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HHB,I'll jump on you.It is totally unethical to negotiate shipping costs after an auction closes.Everyone who bid on an item,including yourself,factored in the shipping as the total price they were willing to pay for a coin.When you complain to a seller the implied threat of negative feedback is always there,that's how unscrupulous buyers operate.If you find a seller's shipping charges excessive you have three honest options,don't bid,report exorbitant fees to ebay,or negotiate a shipping fee with the seller before the auction closes giving him the opportunity to show this in the questions section if he so chooses.Your actions do not deter dishonest sellers but instead create an unfair advantage for yourself. p.s. couldn't bring myself to use the capital yelling letters like HHB so I edited for bold,hope no-one is offended Edited by DBM
02/20/2011 12:12 pm
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As I said earlier, if a shipping price is shown to the public during the bidding process, why is it an issue after the fact. The seller told you, by your own admission, what the terms of the sale were. Were his terms unreasonable? Perhaps. I'll go so far as to say probably so. But, you were told what the terms of the sale were, and you bit that apple. You haven't said there was someone holding a gun to your head, forcing you to bid. How is your response to the situation any less unethical than the original seller's? It is ebay's place to discuss the price of an envelope and a stamp with the seller. Not yours. If the price of shipping seems unreasonable, don't bid. The guy's big mistake was telling you he was using the shipping to offset his other expenses. As for dealers who provide free shipping, insurance, etc. I sell online. I provide free shipping, insurance, and proof of delivery. I also don't sell low end items. If I can't be assured of a margin that allows me to comfortably assume the costs of delivery, then I'm certainly not marketing my merchandise in the proper forum. Edited by JMerrick
02/20/2011 1:41 pm
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Ok guys, I respect all your positions as YOUR own and whoever wishes to share them with you. DBM, fist of all I am not yelling!! lets get that one straight. ALL I want to do is to stress, emphasize something etc. But not yell. Is your name yelling? it is all capitalized ....(yelling your name?) BTW, where I grew up, when something was capitalized it meant: please look, it is important...and I am not going to change now.... the old dog is willing to learn new tricks.....but there has to be a reward... And as I wrote before, in case you can not read, there was NEVER any threat toward the seller. He even agreed that it was not reasonable. what ticked me off, and that is what you all accepted without any problem is that he wanted to offset ebay fees etc... Another thing is that: perhaps instead of jumping all over something with your opinions and accusations it would be nice to perhaps ask more questions. like this key question: did you agree on the shipping cost before or after the auction? But no, you guys jump at it like it is a crime to negotiate something. But maybe I should have expressed myself in a more detailed way. If that is the case, please accept my apologies. I will just not post these things anymore. Will also leave that can of worms closed. Have better things to do, like evaluating a collection of about 500 Canadian coins which I might buy.... much more interesting. Have a great Sunday |
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HHB, Quote:what ticked me off, and that is what you all accepted without any problem is that he wanted to offset ebay fees etc... We didn't take his side. I know I certainly didn't. I wouldn't have bid on the item in the first place, because the price of shipping seemed unreasonable. And, an auction is an auction. Unlike a coin shop, or an antique store, there is is absolutely no room for negotiation. You are bidding in an open forum, under a pre-determined set of conditions. The price of shipping is one of those conditions. I do a lot of business with Christie's, Sotheby's and Skinner's, for example. I have done excellent business with them, and other's for years. Because of my strong repeat business, I am granted certain 'perks', such as payment terms, etc. I can't imagine how they would look at me if I ever tried to negotiate new terms after a sale... I would be an absolute laughingstock in the community. I guess what it boils down to is if you want brick and mortar service, go to a brick and mortar store. ebay, and other similar forums are basically 'amateur' operations. I hate to put it that way, because many folks here on the forum generate excellent income from sources like ebay, and in no way do I want to belittle their efforts. I've certainly found some amazing deals on ebay, and quite often, I've paid absurd shipping prices in order to get those deals. For example... I once paid $50 shipping on an item that the seller spent $10 to ship to me... But I bought the item for $900, got it in hand, and sold it the same afternoon for $22,500. The seller made his profit, and I made mine. We were both happy. |
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JMerrick, I assume you did not read my last post....
all this what you call negotiation, took place before I bid..... AND, I was the only bidder.
I simply told him that I would not be willing to pay his exorbitant rate and I would not bid for the coin. he agreed and I bid. Period.
And, I also do business with large auction houses in Europe. The brits like to farm it out to another packaging firm.
Most of hem are unreliable and have exorbitant costs..... UNLESS you negotiate with them beforehand.
example: shipping one coin 75 GBP, in a simple envelope as a registered letter. I called the auction house and asked them about this outfit they recommended as shippers. when I told them the story, the auctioneer said: WE will ship it for 10 GBP if your bid is successful.
see, it never hurts to check and ask.
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