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John, 1199-1216 - AR Penny - Evaluation, Please?

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 Posted 02/26/2011  2:43 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add christopher walton to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
One of the many questions I have on coins like this is: how can it have so many variations (1350 c-5 b, etc.)? I know, mint, moneyer, etc., but anyway, I get lost with them.

Any help with condition, value, whatever would be helpful.


John,-1199-1216---AR-Penny---Evaluation,-Please?

John,-1199-1216---AR-Penny---Evaluation,-Please?

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 Posted 03/11/2011  09:30 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chris wren to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Technically, your coin is a class 5b2 short cross penny, issued during the reign of John. The reverse (rotating your image 90 degrees) reads +ANDREV.ON.NIC so the moneyer is Andreu (Andrew) at the mint of Lincoln (NIC - the town is given as Nicol in medieval times). It is not a rare type/mint/moneyer nor is it a particularly good specimen so would have a retail value of about £40 or so.

The classification system used for the short coinages, as with all such systems for medieval coins generally, is a convenience for modern numismatists/collectors. It establishes a chronology or sequence of types (only possible since all coin dies were made at a central workshop before being issued to the various mints) but many of the details used probably had no significance to those making the dies.

My own little book 'The Short-Cross Coinage, 1180-1247' (still in print at about £15 or equivalent through Spink and other numismatic book stockists)) explains and illustrates in detail the features seen and used to determine in which class a particular coins falls. Chris Wren
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 Posted 03/12/2011  6:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add christopher walton to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
chris wren - Thank you very much for the information. I'll check Spink's and see what publications they have available that might help since the collection is more Academic (one of each type/ruler) than Investment (quality/denomination).
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