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Here is a India 2 Rupees dated 2000 that was struck over a small football shaped elliptical clip previously struck and failed to eject prior to the next planchet entering the dies, the result is a small mirror image full brockage indent on the correct size 2 rupees coin... This is a "In Collar" strike...
Of the few thousand error coins from India, this is a first for me...    The STRONG strike of "INDIA" has a mirror image brockage on reverse side.
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Nice indent strike error. I've become suspicious of error coins from places like India, Malaysia and Singapore ever since people with ties to the mints realized they can make a profit by purposely striking "errors".
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I stopped purchasing India Errors on ebay back in 2003... My first India lot of error coins was in 2000, with the total coin count of 500 errors... To bypass a customs search, the seller had packed this package tight, then covered it with fabric that was sewn tight at the seams... On the customs form they marked "sample pens" with little package value... I believe I was one of the first to purchase large amounts of errors from India, by 2003 the sellers flooded the market and multi-struck errors I purchased for $25.00 each and above (not including certification fees) were now selling for an average of $5.00 each... |
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That's one of those catch-22 scenarios. On the one hand, it's great to be the first to tap into a market. On the other, it often means getting said items at their highest price (kind of like buying new electronics).
I had this experience with the modern bi-metallic Colombian 500 pesos coins. The first few off-center errors went for like $150-$200. But shortly after a whole bunch more came on the amrket and the last one I had sold for under $20.
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Rather than a brockage from an elliptical clip, this is far more likely to be a brockage from a partial (off-center) hammer die cap. "Aligned" partial brockages like this one can be produced by an elliptical clip coin that settles against the collar, by a partial die cap, or by a double-struck elliptical strike clip.
I do collect Indian errors. Most appear to be real (accidental) errors. It's just that there wasn't much of an attempt made to stop them from leaving the Mint.
Error coin writer and researcher.
Edited by mikediamond
04/27/2011 09:53 am
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Mike,
How exactly would one go about distinguishing honest poor quality control from mint employees taking advantage of it?
Just curious.
Thanks!
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There is no foolproof way to distinguish an intentional error from a natural error. However, most intentional errors will be far more exotic in appearance and with respect to the sequence of events that produce them. For example, there are plently of intentional errors from Canada, especially from the year 1978. I have a 1978 cent struck over a 1977 nickel and a 1978 cent brockaged by a Central American coin of larger size. Neither could have emerged without help. There are plenty of intentional errors from Malaysia as well, many of the exotic mules.
Error coin writer and researcher.
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Thanks for the insight. I figured as much with coins struck over larger coins, since the larger coin would not fit into the slot for the smaller one. So if the people assisting the errors toned it down some, it may not be distinguishable at all. Seems scary for the legitimate unassisted error market. I'm also surprised about the Canadian ones, with the generally strict RCM controls and all. Though I guess there was that whole fiasco with the small beads version of the 1966 Canadian dollar coin. Thanks again! Edited by Numismat
04/28/2011 11:23 am
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I enclosed a few more photos that led me to believe that this was struck with a previously struck elliptical clip planchet that failed to eject... This error puzzled me as it was a football shaped full brockage / full collar, and assumed the metal overflow over the collar at this location was due to die pressure and path of least resistance between the die & collar... I never gave it a second thought that it could have been caused by a partial hammer die cap, and honestly this is the first time I have learned such a error is possible... Maybe the edge view photo will confirm exactly what it, as I mentioned above, this is a first for me... Mike, The last 2 photos below are from a previous post in this forum, it is a India 5 Rupees dated 2000 that looks like a brockage over a struck coin... I would like your opinion on this as I don't believe this would be possible, and if it were done outside the mint with a vise, there should be some damage on the reverse side... This was another error that had me stumped out of one of the 500 error coin lot I purchased from India (this was back in the day when ebay was a great place to hang out)... THANKS...      |
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The horizontal "lipping" present on your 2 rupee coin is characteristic of aligned partial brockages generated by a partial die cap. Under the increased pressure generated by two discs of coin metal, the metal at the edge of the bottom coin extrudes over the top of the collar.
As to your 5 rupees coin, it is a genuine error. I have a specimen very similar to it. It was brockaged by struck foreign matter. I hestitate to conclude it was brockaged by a struck fragment because the edges of the brockage are soft and the brockage becomes shallower as you approach its perimeter. Instead, it could be a brockage from a thick layer of struck die fill. If a layer of die fill ("grease") is thick enough and firm enough, it can pick up an impression from the opposite die when a planchet fails to be fed into the striking chamber. It then transfers the resulting raised image to the next planchet as a brockage.
Error coin writer and researcher.
Edited by mikediamond
04/29/2011 11:17 am
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Thanks for your prompt reply, (now if I could only obtain some high quality photos of my Spain coins all would be well)...
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wonderful wonderful coins and images.
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Posted 04/26/2011 2:03 pm
