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Bedrock of the Community
Australia
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Although I have a lot of silver and gold coins, they are of numismatic significance to me only. After collecting all world from ancients to 1950 for more than three decades, I still consider myself rather useless at predicting silver and gold bullion prices within a specific time frame.
Sure, the value of my collection has increased many fold over the years, partly due the the bullion prices, but that isn't due to my skill in investing.
Actually, the banknote market has increased at a faster than the numismatic or bullion markets, at least in Australia, in the time I have been active. I remember remarking that banknotes would be a better investment, and that has been the case. And I don't collect them!
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New Member
United States
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Sunny in NC, yes my basic belief is that gold and silver will inevitably be pushed higher over the years, regardless of what may happen in the short to medium term. As some have already stated China has gone from a net exporter of gold and silver to a net importer. I have noticed many other news stories recently, from reputable outlets as opposed to conspiracy websites and the like, stating the demand for gold and silver is growing exponentially in developing countries. I saw one the other day where the Indian Post Office has begun selling gold coins, and can't keep them in stock, especially for the younger generations. I think this is because so many are raising their standard of living, and still remember what it's like to be on the streets or in the slums. They want to protect their wealth, what little of it they have, and know that gold represents a safe storage of it.
I was in Dubai five years ago and remember buying jewelery at the gold souk, and I bought some very nice pieces despite not making much money at the time. Gold was around $600 then. I just have a very hard time believing if I go back in ten or twenty years, gold will be what is today, or less. I can see it being $2000, or $2500 easy. Maybe $3000 to $4000 by then. And people will take it as a given that gold is worth that much, and still be willing to pay.
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Valued Member
 United States
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Westsea, and all, do you feel really smart today? LOL I just checked and gold is up 9 bucks and change! Guess I won't buy today. I agree with all you said. we must read the same articles. I will continue with my strategy. Next question, has anyone bought bags of halves or dollars? I see both amex and kitco offer this option. you get the investment, plus the fun of going through the coins! why would this not be a good option? and is there a better place to buy a bag of silver?
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Valued Member
Cyprus
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both are good investments as long as you know when to sell............
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Pillar of the Community
United States
3670 Posts |
Most of the wise say go pre 64 silver, as they attempt to maximize their spending to the best of their ability....
In the end I think it comes down to are you just a pure investor and are fine with one large block of gold and silver (boring too me at least)? Or do you want a bunch of individual coins (many sizes perhaps or metal content) from many different dates, places, and times, that could all tell amazing story's of their journey if they could talk?
I would prefer for example to buy 20 different pieces of 1 oz silver and enjoy each for what they are that I hand picked, then buy a tube of 20 of the same coin. A little variety never hurt IMO. That is the collector in me I suppose. Not to say I would not buy a tube of silver eagles, or something else I know would be marketable again one day, as another wise member points out often as do I, you can't go wrong with the silver or gold Panda....
Edited by Silverhawk74 03/23/2011 3:42 pm
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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From the replies to the OP, it is clear that there are many ways that one might invest in PM bullion. Given that, we all tend to find our way into the ways that appeal specifically to us as individuals. For me, that is to start with some silver coins. I know that the 90% so-called junk sliver coins are the best bang for the buck with the lowest premium. I appreciate that and will be buying some soon. That said, I started my micro-hoard with 20 1-oz. ASEs. Yeah, I probably paid a little more for them than I would have for either junk silver coins or silver rounds, but, man... they ARE gorgeous! I have a couple that I saved from years past. I love holding them and just looking at them. For me, that makes them worth a little extra.  Also, I tend to look at both silver and gold as long-term holdings and as insurance. I'm one of those old guys, you see, and I still remember those days when I could trade a silver certificate bill for a $1 silver coin and vice versa at any bank. Back in those days, a paper dollar really was a dollar and not about 2.3 cents like it is today. I can't see this trend reversing itself anytime soon, so no matter when one buys into some PMs, it's a good time to buy. Yeah, there are best times to buy but timing the market is not my thing. Slowing acquiring more ounces of silver and, eventually, gold is!
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I agree Ed B, and all accounts you mentioned....
So what if one spends a bit more at a lesser time to buy, via the veteran market watchers/coin bullion collectors who snagged a bunch when the time was right, and more power to them for being wise enough to do so. In the end as long as you acquire a piece here an there and keep adding to the collection/investment, you are still better off than blowing that money on something you will never see or touch again....
We need many of those things in life via food, electricity, entertainment, but it is also nice to commit a piece of the pie to something you can keep an hold onto that only will in most cases increase in value in time....
Edited by Silverhawk74 04/03/2011 3:56 pm
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Pillar of the Community
United States
4008 Posts |
Yeah, Silverhawk74, that is the way that I look at it too. By buying even small PM amounts regularly, the hoard WILL grow and it will be purchased at various prices. This will result in an average price that is less than the top and more than the bottom price paid. This is just like "dollar cost averaging" into a stock position. I'm not into the numismatic end of collecting but can understand why someone would be. I can enjoy looking at a fine collection as much as the next guy but I'm just in it for the bullion side of things... and that's OK. Coin and PM collecting has a lot to offer and there are many ways to work it. For you folks who are into the numismatic end of things, hey, at least I am not bidding against you for that next goodie that your collection needs! 
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Valued Member
United States
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I can't speak to the suitability of gold or silver as an investment, that's something you're going to have to decide for yourself. Metals prices might go up, or they might go down (or maybe even stay the same). But the one thing you can control is the friction - how much you're paying to acquire your position, how much you're paying to store it, and how much you're paying to sell.
Assuming you have an IRA or other account that lets you trade stocks, the lowest-cost, lowest-risk (in terms of your metals being stolen) approach might be to buy gold and silver ETFs. For only a few dollars, you can take a position large or small, and sell it effectively any time you want, so long as the markets are open. GLD tracks gold, SLV tracks silver.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
648 Posts |
Sunny - I am in the same boat as you in terms of $ budget - along those lines. I put the majority in silver - but still wanted some certified Gold pieces to own...
Edited by tripncoins 04/04/2011 10:15 am
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1126 Posts |
Just a few rules I have followed over the years that have served me very well.
1. I always take physical possession of physical metal. reason: Gold and silver markets (ETF's) are completely manipulated by a few of the big players and have wiped out many small guys in the game over the years.
2. I never spend money on metals that I can not completely afford to lose. Even though I seriously doubt that it will go to zero. My metals are a long term store of wealth. That if it goes through the roof will end up being a great investment.
3. Money is hard earned if I am going to invest it in anything I take time to study and learn about the different aspects of what ever it is I want to invest in Before I lay my money down.
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Valued Member
United States
244 Posts |
Given the structure of ETFs, could you please clarify how one manipulates the price of the ETF without similarly manipulating the price of the underlying?
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Valued Member
Canada
442 Posts |
thanks for the link stewart. Has there been an update on the lawsuits that have been filed?
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1126 Posts |
Not that I have heard. When this story broke in March of last year I have been stacking like crazy I had a feeling that once word of this manipulation got around to the general public that silver would go nuts. And JP Morgan would not be able to keep it held down like they have for years.
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