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1880-IHC-Error?-Please-Help-!

Hi, Can anyone help me identifying if this is an error or not? It is the reverse of an 1880 Indian cent and appears to be doubled. I know almost nothing about IHC and even less about errors. Does anyone have any info or any idea if this increases the value? it is an 1880 in approx MS64/64. Thanks, Bob
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sorry, meant 63 to 64
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Longacre doubling, very common. The doubling is in the master die so it could potentially be present on every die and coin. It doesn't show up on all of them though because final polishing of the working dies after hubbing and hardening was supposed to remove those traces. If they were rushed and didn't get the dies basined properly traces of the doubling would remain.
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Hi Conder, Thanks very much. I appreciate the response. I am going to do a little research and see why they call it Longacre. So much for my hoping it was an error that would increase the value of the coin. It's a nice looking coin, maybe I will post a pic and get some opinions on the grade. Thanks again, Bob
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It is called Longacre because it first showed up, and mainly shows up, on coins designed by James Longacre. Longacre got his position as Chief Engraver at the mint through political pull and not by expereance and reputation. Yes he was an engraver, but he was a flat plate engraver such as for certificates or banknotes, he was not a diesinker used to working in three dimentions. He did not know how to judge the depth restriction for cutting into or punching into the die to keep the relief from being too high or too shallow. This didn't cause a problem until 1849 when he had to engrave designs for two new denominations and that was when the Longacre doubling started showing up. I believe he had special new punches made up that had the outline around the letters or devices so that hen they were punched into the die you knew they were deep enough when the outlines started showing up. Then when you basined the dies after hardening, when the outlines disappeared you knew the die was basined correctly and the lettering and devices were at just the right depth. Not too shallow, not too deep. In short he had a built in guide to make sure he got it right. The problem was the mint was often short on dies and they didn't bother to basin away all the outlines. This is especially true once the coppernickel coins began and the number of dies needed exploded. (Before the coppernickel coins the die shops had to produce a few hundred die pairs per year. The Shield nickels required over 1500 die pairs per year for them alone. And if you look at the Shield nickels closely they show the result of the rush treatment.) After Longacre died the Longacre doubling starts disappearing. New designs or modified designs don't have it and as master dies and hubs wear out and are replaced it disappears. Eventually it only shows up on a few coins whose dies came from masters that haven't been replaced yet. The late Indian Head cent reverses are the last place that Longacre doubling is seen.
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yep, LD--and Conder has provided all you need to know on the subject

PS--if you could provide a closeup of the date area, there are several interesting varieties for 1880.
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