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 Posted 04/02/2011  11:28 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Craig to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hi, Recently received a pamphlet in the mail, check it out. Anyone else think is misleading about the "Potential" of silver coins and trying to draw a link to theirs?

http://www.flickr.com/photos/613931.../5583564455/

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 Posted 04/03/2011  12:38 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add the-purple-penny to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Macquarie Mint is one of Downies marketing arms.
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 Posted 04/03/2011  12:54 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Macquarie Mint is a mail-order company, that operates along similar lines to Seven Seas and (for those in America) Littleton. I don't know about the truthfulness of their claims for silver bullion performance, but the use of the word "Mint" in their company name is, in my personal opinion, misleading, because Macquarie Mint doesn't actually "mint" anything. They're a coin marketing company. Their business model is simple: buy cheap bullion coins from around the world (though most of what they buy is old Perth Mint stock that didn't sell), find some gimmicky trinket or object to "go-with" it, re-package it all up in Macquarie Mint wrappers and sell the lot to some unsuspecting "investor" for twice the price Macquarie Mint paid for it.

Macquarie Mint is not linked to Macquarie Bank, Macquarie University, Macquarie Radio or any of the other high-profile Australian institutions with "Macquarie" in the name.

My dad found himself added to Macquarie Mint's coin-of-the-month mailing list when he bought me a coin as a present via one of their newspaper advertisements; each month they'd send a coin-with-gimmick package and charge his credit card for it if he didn't return it. He found it less hassle to pay for the coins each month and save them up to give to me each birthday and Christmas than to try to cancel it. Eventually I persuaded him that these coins he was buying me as gifts were perhaps not the best use of his gift money.

Most of what they sell will never be worth much more than bullion, and probably nowhere near what Macquarie Mint's customers originally pay for the stuff (their current rate, according to the ads Craig posted above, is $99.95 per one ounce coin!), but occasionally they might (in their ignorance) send you a sleeper purely by chance. In among the two dozen or so one ounce silver bullion coins I ended up being given by my dad, one of them was a Redback Spider Tuvalu dollar - and those things are routinely selling for over $1000 these days. It is, theoretically, the most valuable coin in my entire collection, even without its original Perth Mint packaging.
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 Posted 04/03/2011  01:15 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Macquarie Mint is one of Downies marketing arms.

I did not know that, but looking up their websites on WhoIs I see it's true.
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 Posted 04/03/2011  02:10 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Craig to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi, thanks for the information. BTW, its only a 1/2 ounce coin!
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 Posted 04/03/2011  07:52 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wesley to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I knew Downies were the issuing authority they do the Cook Islands etc

Does anyone know where their coins are actually minted?

I have copied the below from the website

The Macquarie Mint is a family company with over 75 years experience in the numismatic industry. The Macquarie Mint has grown a reputation throughout Australia for producing premium collections and quality numismatic products that are both affordable and appealing. The Macquarie Mint specializes in premium collections and currently we have a large compilation of numismatic items from all over the World.
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Contact details just found
Contact Us
Please feel free to contact our friendly and helpful team via the following methods:

Phone: 1300 798 368 TOLL FREE

Postal Address:

Macquarie Mint
PO Box 255
Abbotsford, VIC, 3067
Australia
Email: information@macquariemint.com

Fax: (03) 8456 8499
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 Posted 04/03/2011  10:28 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I knew Downies were the issuing authority they do the Cook Islands etc

Downies isn't an "issuing authority" - they're a coin dealership, they can't issue coins any more than you or I can. However, Downies can and no doubt does make persuasive suggestions to the Perth Mint marketing department, who then persuade one of their flag-of-convenience countries to authorize certain coins which Downies then buys up.

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Does anyone know where their coins are actually minted?

Most of the coins I received indirectly from Macquarie Mint were Perth Mint coins. There was one RAM coin (from a broken-up Masterpieces 2006 artist set) and one from North Korea.
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 Posted 04/04/2011  09:36 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wesley to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sap or anyone,who actually strikes the Maquarie Mint coins for Downies?
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 Posted 04/04/2011  10:07 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Like I said, Macquarie Mint buys coins from any old mint, anywhere in the world - mostly Perth Mint, in my experience, though from other mints too. Given the link between Downies and Macquarie Mint, I suspect Macquarie's stock comes from stuff Downies doesn't sell quickly enough.
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 Posted 04/04/2011  10:35 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wesley to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
So there is no real "mint" as such

"Macquarie Mint is just a name Downies use to make buyers think its official releases from an issuing authority" is what I always thought they were

I am yet to be convinced Downies/Macquarie buy coins from any old mint anywhere in the world as suggested Sap
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 Posted 04/20/2011  8:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cnsjock to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Downies commission coins through the Perth Mint,cheaper and easier to buy direct from PM
http://www.perthmintbullion.com/au/...aspx?size=17

Be wary of the major increase in fake chinese silver doing the rounds on the net. Checkout alibaba.com you'll find all the major bullion coins reproduced .
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 Posted 09/13/2011  05:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add crustykaz to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The Macquarie Mint $10 coin for $10 is a scam. After October 31st 2013 the coin has absolutely no value. In other words, they are selling these crappy souvenirs for $10 and promise to refund the $10 if you return the coin by the above date. They are hoping that a majority of the suckers dont return the coin.This coin is also only 50% silver content (according to the website)
Pity the poor people who fall for this one.
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 Posted 09/13/2011  09:02 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add floridapalms to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
What do you mean crustykaz?
By the way I have no idea about Macquarie Mint and the $10 scam mentioned ?
Whats going on there mate?
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 Posted 09/13/2011  6:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The Nauru $10 coin scam crustykaz is talking about is discussed here.

Like all Macquarie Mint advertising, the Nauru coins have been advertised in newspapers, magazines, everywhere except places where actual coin collectors are likely to look for coins (like in CAB Magazine, for instance).

Which tells you something about Macquarie Mint's target market. They're not interested in attracting actual coin collectors, but people on the fringes of the hobby - interested newbie speculator/investors and friends/relatives of coin collectors.

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...After October 31st 2013 the coin has absolutely no value...

Well, I wouldn't go quite that far. Assuming they're not lying about the silver content too, there's $6 worth of silver in those "coins". Just probably not worth the $10 people paid. And, given the non-legal-tender status, they're not really "coins" - "fantasies" would be the correct terminology.

With any luck, Nauru will take Macquarie Mint to court and get them shut down. If that happened, I'd want one of these "coins", as a souvenir of the controversy.
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 Posted 09/15/2011  03:23 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Cygnus10 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have contacted the Australian Government Treasury (15/09/11), and those guys had confirmed to me that The $10 Bank of Nauru coin is a genuine 0.500 numismatic silver coin, struck specifically at the order of The Bank of Nauru. And, as you would probably know, Nauru's official currency is The Aussie Dollar. They didn't tell me *who* exactly struck the coins, but The Treasury are 'happy' with the "Macquarie Mint" $10 offer, and will accept the coin as Australian legal tender, under the Currency Act 1965. If you would like to verify my information, contact the Australian Govt. Treasury - http://www.treasury.gov.au/content/...ontentID=326
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