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Seller On Ebay Re-Selling The Same Coin?

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 Posted 10/13/2006  1:22 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Picsbypat to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I thought this was very odd. Noticed a seller (cri4obw) with some nice coins and checked out his feedback. Someone bought a 1922 auctioned Lincoln Cent from him on Oct 2nd (here's the item):

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...200030158965

But he has another 1922 Lincoln at auction, ending in 8 hours, item # 200033443707, and I swear it's the same coin. The scratch under Lincoln's lip and two scratches on the jaw match exactly.

Anyone else think this is fishy?
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10/13/2006 1:27 pm
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 Posted 10/13/2006  1:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ageka to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sadly it seems that some dealers with a good feedback are just too lazy to make new pics of a coin

I bought a 150 year old Belgian 20 Franks coin in Switzerland and a few weeks later the same pic was used to sell another splendid coin of the same year
I was lucky the coin I received was splendid

A large feedback dealer in Spain sold three 100 Soles coins with the same pic

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 Posted 10/13/2006  1:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bobby131313 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
There are many scenarios, some legit, some not.

1. The buyer backed out of the deal.
2. The buyer returned the coin.
3. It's a flat out scam and he's selling a coin he doesn't have over and over.
4. He shill bid the last one and got too greedy and won it himself.

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 Posted 10/13/2006  7:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bigfella to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I can tell you a story...I purchased an R4 10 shilling note a few weeks ago as a VF graded note paying well over AU$1000 with the intention of resale in my shop. The note was actually a fine grade note if you use a bit of imagination (tip here....ebay images do not show everything). The note was sent back. A few days ago the note was resold on ebay using the identical auction that I purchased the note from.

The thing that knocked me to the floor was that the buyer gave the seller "better than average" feedback on a positive sale. It tells me one of two things.....I have absolutely no idea about what I am talking about as far as banknote grade (this I doubt as I am a professional dealer and next to never get a complaint about my material) or too many buyers on ebay take what sellers say as gospel.

Co-incidentally in the last 2 weeks I offered prices on two collections basically accumulated from ebay purchases. One was a note collection all graded as unc with 18 out of 23 notes had centre folds or even greater problems. One note even had a substanial tear. This I missed out on and was told I would not know an Unc note if I fell over one. The second collection was a penny collection with every coin graded "Unc". The best coin in there was a 1962 penny that was genuinely Unc. Most of the rest was VF to EF. This just proves a point that many buyers do not know how to grade and rely on sellers to grade accurately. Too many sellers can not grade or choose to over grade.

I know my post maybe now a little off topic but it irritates me to no end that we now have a new grade in our hobby.....there was Unc....now there is " ebay unc".
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 Posted 10/13/2006  9:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Snooba to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
A number of sellers use a standard photograph whenever they sell that type of coin. That way they don't have to take new photos each time. What you see isn't necessarily what you will get!
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quote:
A number of sellers use a standard photograph whenever they sell.


Perfectly acceptable...................

















































If you're selling toasters.



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 Posted 10/14/2006  11:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Morgan Fred to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I feel more comfortable with sellers stating "This is the actual coin you will receive" and have long since added the statement to my own coin auctions. There's far too many stock photos used for ebay coin auctions. The practice is misleading at best, fraudulent at worse.

I like Bigfella's description of the new grade: " ebay Uncirculated". Funny, but all too true.

Fred
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 Posted 10/14/2006  10:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Eric to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by Morgan Fred

I feel more comfortable with sellers stating "This is the actual coin you will receive" and have long since added the statement to my own coin auctions. There's far too many stock photos used for ebay coin auctions. The practice is misleading at best, fraudulent at worse.

I like Bigfella's description of the new grade: " ebay Uncirculated". Funny, but all too true.

Fred



I actually had a top dealer in Sydney tell me, in a hushed voice, that his EF Sovereign was easily an " ebay UNC". People do not know how to grade on ebay, which is great, if you're a crook; in the end, it's only damaging to the hobby.

As a consequence of this, a number of unscrupulous dealers offload overgraded material on ebay to unsuspecting customers.
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10/14/2006 11:03 pm
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 Posted 10/15/2006  01:37 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Mike to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
ebay Unc! Very funny indeed. Don't give them any ideas or perhaps ebay will become the latest to jump in on the flood of ABC grading companies! An ebay slab? Yikes!! And to think by association the ANA would probably back it!!! Mike
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