Help With This Russian Medals I And II

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Jsalgado Valued Member Portugal 179 Posts	Posted 04/21/2011 06:08 am size 39 mm copper. Thanks. Medal I Medal II Report this Post to the Staff

Numismat Pillar of the Community United States 1666 Posts	Posted 04/21/2011 12:50 pm The reverse is very similar to the Russian Historical Medals series, which was commissioned under Catherine the Great. These are listed in Daikov and one's I've seen were silver and sold for over $1,000. I don't know if the bronze/copper medals you have are from the same series, but the 20 and 47 on the bottom of the reverse, in parenthesis, is the series number of that particular medal. The excess material on the rim is unusual for high quality official medals, at least in the quantity that is seen on the first medal. If there is a medallist signature, that would help determine if it's official, since all of those had such a signature on the medal. Edited by Numismat 04/21/2011 12:53 pm Report this Post to the Staff
Jsalgado Valued Member Portugal 179 Posts	Posted 05/06/2011 06:46 am Numismat many thanks for your message.I have noted two signls on the medals please see pictures. JSalgado Report this Post to the Staff
Numismat Pillar of the Community United States 1666 Posts	Posted 05/06/2011 9:39 pm I can't quite make them out in the pictures. If you can tell me what the signatures are, I can confirm if they are those of medallists who worked on the official series. Report this Post to the Staff
Jsalgado Valued Member Portugal 179 Posts	Posted 05/07/2011 03:29 am Many thanks for your answer. Here the signatures. Report this Post to the Staff
Jsalgado Valued Member Portugal 179 Posts	Posted 05/07/2011 5:40 pm Many thanks for your answer. Here the signatures. Report this Post to the Staff
chervonets New Member United States 33 Posts	Posted 05/08/2011 1:49 pm These medals seem to be from a large series of medals featuring historic rulers of Russia. I know nothing about their origin and value but I could translate the text for you. The first medal features a young man in hat, Fyodor II Borisovich Godunov of Russia. The legend around his bust is "Tsar Fedor Borisovich Godunov", and on the other, "Upon the death of his father, proclaimed Tsar. 1604. Murdered on the orders of Rasstriga [False Dmitriy I]. Reigned for 6 weeks. (47)". Actually Fyodor was proclaimed Tsar on 13 April 1605. The second medal features "Grand Prince Yur'ya [modern spelling Yuri or Yury] Vladimirovich Dolgorukiy". Legend on the other side says, "After much turmoil gained the Grand Princedom of Kiev, 1155. Founded Moscow, ruling peacefully. Reigned for 3 years. (20)". Needless to say that actually Yuri's reign was far from being peaceful. He gained the throne after many years of bloody wars with his close relatives, was extremely unpopular in Kiev, being a stranger from far North, and was likely poisoned by local boyars (nobility). Report this Post to the Staff
Jsalgado Valued Member Portugal 179 Posts	Posted 05/09/2011 3:59 pm I have found these two similar Sn-Pb dies trial for medals and please note the signals in both pieces. Report this Post to the Staff
Numismat Pillar of the Community United States 1666 Posts	Posted 05/09/2011 10:18 pm Taken all together, these do seem to be part of an official series. The large rim Cud on the first one is very unusual, but not entirely unheard of. Can't really comment on value, as I have not seen any medals from this series in copper/bronze at auction. Report this Post to the Staff
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