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Another Reason Why If You Don't Hold It, You Don't Own It!

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 Posted 04/29/2011  11:26 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add vinnycoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
As someone that has been recently ripped off, I feel for these ppl

http://www.9news.com/news/article/1...an-1-million


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 Posted 04/29/2011  11:42 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add OneBowl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
There are many, many lessons here. If guilty, the guy is scum, but when I read things like "basically my wife's entire IRA," all I can do is shake my head. That worked real well for Enron and WCOM employees, huh? Research. Start small. Phase investments. Diversify. Take possession. Attempt a transfer. Lessons all. The only guarantee would have been steering completely clear, but there's little excuse for 6 figure losses in an Internet company with "Discount" in the name.
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 Posted 04/29/2011  11:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hockingzig to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You would think after Madoff and others people would be more leery. Why would you dump your entire 401k into ANY single investment anyway? We are just seeing the tip of this iceberg I suspect. I wouldn't even buy ETF's at this point. I want solid shineys in my paws or they ain't gettin my money!
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 Posted 04/29/2011  2:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add carmykle to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm thinking of that old P. T. Barnum saying, maybe they born every minute.

What could he have possibly said to make that guy invest the whole IRA? He must have had a weapon.

I'm inclined to share an old Will Rogers saw, "The return of my money is more important to me than the return on my money."
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 Posted 04/29/2011  2:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Silverhawk74 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I hate to say it, but even I would have thought that one through better, lol....

Carmykle nailed it with the Barnum quote! Man, that is one guy I would like to set down with an pick his brain for a couple of hours or so, the story's he could have told eh....
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 Posted 04/29/2011  3:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add willy13 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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He says the statements kept coming, but the gold coins didn't.

Rediculous.....
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 Posted 04/29/2011  4:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DavidZerbato to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The guy should be punished to the fullest extent of the law, however, the people were too gullible and partly to blame. The article didn't state how long the waited for the coins, but you demand them or take him to court. An account statement means nothing. It also goes to show not to be friends with investments.
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 Posted 04/29/2011  5:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JackB to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Very scary, kinda like the Bernie Madoff of gold - similar to Bernie's victims, these gold investors might be guilty of letting larger-than-reasonable profits cloud their judgement. Very sad, seems like for every dollar you have, there's someone out there that will take it from you...
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 Posted 04/29/2011  5:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ed_B to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well, guys, it really does take two to Tango... one gullible and one duplicitous. I feel very badly for those who are ripped off, especially when something as important as a person's retirement plan / life savings are involved. Recall that in Dante's Inferno, the 9th and most horrible level of he|| is reserved for "the betrayers of trust". I hope that these folks do get at least some, if not all, of their money back. The FBI, IRS, and the USPO can bring a lot of legal horse-power to bear on people who rip others off. If this "Jim" character wants to see the outside of a prison cell before he dies, he better get real sincere about making restitution. I know that this will not help those who were robbed but it will at least prevent any further robberies.
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 Posted 04/29/2011  5:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ed_B to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Another reason why if you don't hold it, you don't own it!

While there is some truth to this, it is difficult to make such blanket statements that can truthfully cover all possible situations. In my case, for example, I invest in a number of stocks, bonds, mutual funds, and PMs. I don't really hold any of these, with the exception of a small amount of silver that I am collecting. The rest are in 3 brokerage accounts with large nationally known financial custodians. I am pretty sure I can deal safely with them because they manage many billions of dollars and cannot afford the notoriety of fooling around with other people's money. They earn huge amounts of money managing the money that people deposit with them and the last thing they need are law suits and additional government scrutiny. After dealing with these companies for 20-30 years, I have not had a single problem getting an accurate accounting of my money, making transfers of money in and out of their system, or in getting checks drawn on my accounts sent to me. For the very reason of this topic, I would not invest with anyone who did not have more to lose by fooling around than I have by investing with them.

OneBowl had a great reply to this topic. It is excellent advice for anyone looking to invest without getting ripped off.
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04/29/2011 5:58 pm
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 Posted 04/29/2011  7:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add junior e to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Several months back I bought my first one ounce gold coin from a big dealer. After three weeks had passed and no gold, I called him up and told him that I had a $35,000 IRA that I wanted to invest with them. He called me the next day to give me a tracking number for my gold Eagle. I received it the very next day, but my IRA money is not headed his way any time soon. I began getting that same feeling on another ouncer recently, but that one worked out just fine without any trickery. After that first time I guess I was a little paranoid. I wish all transactions went smoothly like most of my ebay purchases do. Vinny, if you don't mind my asking, what happened when you were ripped off?
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 Posted 04/30/2011  02:34 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Collecta83 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This will probably be happening a lot. Gold is in right now and investors are going to sucker the innocent. I see it a lot with the elderly who are all too forgiving. So rough to see it happen to them when they work so hard for their money

But like another poster said, invest little. That's what I'm doing right now. I'm at a young age and by saving little by little, I feel I'm doing the right thing.
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 Posted 04/30/2011  03:05 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Silverhawk74 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Russian roulette is all buying online is, esp if is not a trusted dealer. I feel for any that has been ripped off, as that could happen to any of us, via buying fake, buying from a no sender, what ever....

As cliche as it sounds, I try and follow the golden rule treating others the way you wanna be treated. And like Ed mentioned Dante's inferno, I do hope a place of suffering is set aside for those that steal from the good with no thought or feeling of guilt even for their actions. Karma will get them before it is over....
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04/30/2011 03:09 am
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 Posted 04/30/2011  11:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tripncoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
My gold rule is very simple and effective. When I hand you my money, I want my gold.

No online forms, no Craigslist, no shipping address or credit card / wire transaction and finally no BS.

I do these type of transactions at my local dealer and the coin shows where they stand behind what they sell.
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04/30/2011 11:26 am
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 Posted 05/01/2011  12:20 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ed_B to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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After that first time I guess I was a little paranoid. - Junior

I would not call that paranoia. I would call it good sense! People need to be in closer touch with their feelings. Any number of times during my life, I have "had a bad feeling" about something or other and each time there was a problem just waiting to unfold. It is likely that there are tiny sub-conscious indications of such things in progress but our conscious mind simply does not process them into a clear warning... but our sub-conscious mind sure does. We really do need to pay attention to that.
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 Posted 05/01/2011  12:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ed_B to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Gold is in right now and investors are going to sucker the innocent. - Collecta83

Oh, PLEASE! "Investors" do not sucker or rip off anyone. Thieves do that. Let's keep the nomenclature straight here. I am an investor and have never cheated anyone... ever. I fully plan to keep that record intact. Been at it for 30+ years, so it is pretty much a habit with me by now. I know that there are people out there who do lie, cheat, and steal but simply being an investor does not make a person do those things. They are like that well before they pretend to be investors.
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