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 Posted 05/14/2011  2:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add canadian-varieties to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Glenn....I will call your 1892 large 9 dime in ICCS VF30, and raise you to ICCS EF40 ;)....just got it

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 Posted 05/14/2011  2:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add canadian-varieties to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
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 Posted 05/14/2011  7:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add marjonbc to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice coins... I was able to pick up the 1893 flat top and round top in the together recently in an auction... only in G from what I can tell until I get it in my hands... but it will have to do until I find something nicer. I was also lucky and got a really pretty 1872H at the same time.. its in VF30 by the looks of it... can't wait until they get here. I picked up a nice VF 30 NB 1864 at the post office today so have something to enjoy until the other get here.
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 Posted 05/14/2011  8:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add glenzy1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Danlos , you are a bad Boy and you need a spankin'!

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 Posted 05/15/2011  12:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add canadian-varieties to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Glenn...I'm going to take a wild guess that there's also very few 1892 large 9s in EF40+ :)...got her for $1650.
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 Posted 05/15/2011  04:22 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add glenzy1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice piece Danlos and a great price for a priceless coin. I remember seeing that coin on E-bay, I think it may have been on the J & M auction site. I purchased my VF-30 for less than $200.00 from a non collector in California who had it listed on E-bay in a 7 day auction.
The scan was not soo great and the bidding started out slow. I knew that whoever was familiar with the variety would bid hard on it at the end. Just minutes prior to the end I placed a $500.00 bid on it and to my amazement I won it less than $200.00. Off to I.C.C.S. the coin went and returned an Obverse #6 at VF-30.
As far as my 2010 I.C.C.S. Population Report goes, there are only "6" Large 9's graded above EF-40. It appears to be a fairly new Variety because my 1994 Charlton Cat does not list it in there. I don't know when the Variety was actually recognized, but it will be interesting to see how it does in the next 5-10 years in trends, as well as watching the Population reports. Even U.S. T.P.G.'s have very few graded/known. I always keep an eye out for 'em when the are listed as a raw piece by an auctioneer who does not know what they have. One lower grade popped up on E-bay not long ago and sold for just under $300.00 (raw). The variety is slowly catching the attention of dime enthusiasts and has been one of my all time favorites.
How is your 1908 dime? A new Variety has just popped up recently and is highly sought after. It is the 8 over 8 variety (8/8), some call it the re-cut/re-punched "8". I purchased a P.C.G.S. MS-62 1908 a few years back. Cracked it out and sent it in to I.C.C.S. raw. They sent it back slabbed as an 8/8 variety >AU-58. It is now listed in C.C.N. trends.

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Wonderful find!! I think I saw a raw 1892 large 9 sell on ebay a few weeks back but didnt know much about the variety at the time :(.

As for my treasure hunting, I've just grabbed 2 potential 1872 25c A/Vs, and a 1874 Vs in Canada...(fingers crossed)...
...then I have two dozen 1965 nickel rolls to go through and try to find a 1965 large beads :)...lol
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 Posted 05/15/2011  1:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add marjonbc to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
My 2000 Charlton has it and the pop report for 2001 shows no EFs and only 2 AU 55's and 1 MS 60. My 2003 shows it broken out into Obv 5 and Obv 6 but nothing "attributed" over VF20 at that time. The 2006 lists 1 EF in Obv 5 and 1 EF and 1 AU in Obv 6. The muddy part will be if anyone told ICCS if they were resubmitting one of the unattributed ones so the pop reports could be adjusted. 06 is the latest pop report I have. Hope that helps
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 Posted 05/16/2011  09:28 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Colhand1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I love hearing about these varieties and makes me want to go to the bank and look at my coins again! Not long ago I found a 1935 Buffalo nickel Double die reverse EF 40, in a tube of coins that I have. Another tough coin to find about VF. But thats another story.
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 Posted 05/16/2011  6:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add glenzy1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Check out the latest 1893 Round Top dime to hit E-bay by Bluenose Coins. A gorgeous drop dead EF-40 and in the Top 10 best I.C.C.S known. Worth every penny, or should I say dime!


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No doubt condition rare, but drop-dead gorgeous is a stretch IMO. Crud in the legend/numerals
drives me crazy, and that one has it's share on the reverse. The obverse is very nice though.

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 Posted 05/17/2011  11:02 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add glenzy1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
To 1cent, when I state drop dead gorgeous, keep in mind this is a 120 year old coin, once circulated, not an MS-65 1961 silver dollar with blast white luster. And further more remember the RARITY of this coin. Ever heard the saying "beggars are not choosers", well when you look at the 2010, I.C.C.S. Population Report and it states there are only graded higher. This known stat would make you and I Beggars, not choosers, with that in mind and what I've seen of Round Top's in the past ten years, they don't come any nicer for the grade.

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05/17/2011 11:05 am
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 Posted 05/17/2011  12:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add canadian-varieties to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Strongly considering buying it. That would give me two 1893 rounded top 3s in VF30+ :)...gonna grab the 1889 dime as well in VG...slept through a 1889 dime F15 auction recently and kicking myself for it :(. Now I just have to teach my kids about their inheritance...

Question for the board...should these types of coins reside in PCGS holders instead? Seems like an ICCS VF30 could turn into a PCGS EF40, would be in a MUCH safer holder, and open to a MUCH larger market (Many US/international customers wont touch ICCS coins). Granted, Canadian collectors dont regard PCGS as highly as ICCS, nor will pay as much $$, however, it would seem the benefits of slabbing them in PCGS significantly outweight any possible downsides?

Seems like all major collections (Belzberg, Pittman, Norweb) were in PCGS holders, not ICCS. That's a curious fact in itself.



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Your arguments (and counter-arguments) are based on Canadian versus international customers. My question would be, are your 1893 Round Top 3s "international" calibre grades and coins? Do they have strong eye-appeal? Would they fare well at an international market (like a Heritage auction)? If so, then PCGS. If you want to protect them, and realize your return in a Canadian market, consider using CCCS hard slabs instead of the ICCS soft flip.
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 Posted 05/17/2011  8:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 1cent to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Glenzy, I know what you are saying. For me though, I would rather have a standout VF than a solid, but
usual EF. With something like the RT3, sure...it's tough enough in EF that you can't hold out for "just the
right one" simply because it may not even exist. When I buy really key stuff though, the grade is secondary
to the eye appeal of the coin, as long as it's at least a VF. I am a beggar, and a chooser. I want a RT3
in VF, and have seen three or four cross the block, but I remain waiting for "the one" before I will buy.
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