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Moderator
 United States
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Quote: I agree, but it won't have quite the same audience, I fear. You are probably right. I am, historically and for the most part, a collector from circulation. How different my collection would be if I did not sift through my pocket change the past thirty years! I am sure I would have still collected, since the spark was the two Eisenhower dollars my dad gave me; but it would be different. That being said, there are many people that started collecting because they were curious about their change. No change, no curiosity. A difference audience indeed.
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Valued Member
United States
384 Posts |
I see people selling visa cards from the 80s on ebay. So it looks like plastic could be the new collectible money. Time to start an album on those?
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Bedrock of the Community
  United States
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Quote:I see people selling visa cards from the 80s on ebay. So it looks like plastic could be the new collectible money. Time to start an album on those? Amazing. I see them listed at $10-$25.  Good discussion. I agree that in our lifetimes and probably for several generations to come there will be money in circulation. And it will always be collectible and significant from a historical perspective. What about our great-great-great grandkids though? While the U.S., Canada, Europe, etc. may convert to electronic payments, I suppose not all countries will develop at the same rate as modern nations. So currency in some fashion will probably be necessary for a long, long time to come.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Quote:I see people selling visa cards from the 80s on ebay. So it looks like plastic could be the new collectible money. Time to start an album on those? Exactly what I mentioned earlier. It may well not be a joke soon. Now too imagine a credit card with the signature on the back of a president. Or the CEO of a large company. And then too credit or debit cards from now defunct organizations. And of course there could well be the Mint Error credit cards where the face is doubled. The down side is how do you put those in a plstic roll? And of course the new sizes in 2x2's. And don't forget the experation dates. So now what do we do with all the US Mint workers? This is starting to sound to complicated so I'll just stick to coins for now.
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Valued Member
United States
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The notion that your getting cash back is not completely accurate. That money is by no means free. Credit card transactions are an added expense to a merchant. He passes that cost on to the buyer.
Your cash back is just a reimbursement for the increase in price you had to pay because you forced the merchant to incur an extra cost he passed on to you.
Cash buyers get discriminated against, because they too have to pay the increased price. The credit card companies forbid charging CC users a fee, so the increase in price is across the board.
However, discounts for using cash are permissible. That is why you see gas stations with 2 prices. Cash and credit. Crunch the numbers, is the cash price cheaper than the credit price after your "cash back", or the other way around.
Credit card usage only increased the price of goods.
For those who are in love with the idea of a cashless society, try using a credit card when the power is down... How would you do a private transaction between friends, or at a flea market or what ever?
Gonna have to buy a smart phone, buy the data package and download the appropriate app. Just to pay a friend $20..?
Not too mention the increased exposure to fraud and theft.
No thanks. Cash and carry rules.
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Moderator
 United States
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Quote: For those who are in love with the idea of a cashless society, try using a credit card when the power is down.. Easy, just do it the same way they were done before the networked card machines became the norm. The last time I went to a restaurant where the power went out, they pulled this out and used it! 
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Valued Member
United States
50 Posts |
I think some people are in the middle when it comes to something like that. Some people might prefer cash, because it limits themselves from buying a lot of stuff. In the past they might of gotten into trouble when they maxed out their credit cards or they have a ton over draft fees to pay from their debit card, because they weren't keeping tract of their checking account.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
20753 Posts |
Quote: The notion that your getting cash back is not completely accurate. That money is by no means free. Credit card transactions are an added expense to a merchant. He passes that cost on to the buyer. Your arguments are really futile, you know. It is sort of like saying the air in our country is poluted so I'll stop using it. Water bloats people so I'll stop using it. Cars kill people so I'll never use one. Yes there is an expense added on to items but so what. If you don't use a credit card but everyone else does, the prices of all items are the same to you and them. Or you coulc protest and never buy anything again. No food, clothing, etc. With Bank of America temporary 5% cash back, I don't care who charges what for what as long as I get my 5% of it back. I still think someday some little kid will be saying, "Hey grandpa, what was that stuff you people used to use to buy stuff called cash?"
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Bedrock of the Community
  United States
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Quote: I still think someday some little kid will be saying, "Hey grandpa, what was that stuff you people used to use to buy stuff called cash?" Especially considering that relatively few of us is a collector. :) "Grandpa, what are all these giant silvery hockey pucks you have in your plasma rifle safe?"
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Valued Member
United States
296 Posts |
Carl, who said anything about protesting..? I'm not arguing anything. Just stating a fact that most sheep aren't aware of. Your anecdotal examples are lame at best. Quote: I don't care who charges what for what as long as I get my 5% of it back. So typical...
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Valued Member
United States
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Quote:Easy, just do it the same way they were done before the networked card machines became the norm. The last time I went to a restaurant where the power went out, they pulled this out and used it!  Been a while since I've sen one of those. Unfortunately, not every merchant has one. Did you remember to keep your carbons?  Do they even still use carbons, are are they carbonless now?
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Valued Member
United States
406 Posts |
I think that we will, eventually, be living in a cashless society. Ever since the first credit card was introduced, it was inevitable. We could probably have an all-plastic system in place within five years, if we really wanted to.
But, I don't think it will happen for a while yet, at least in the US. If anyone were to float the notion of phasing out cash, there would be a protest saying that it would needlessly burden those who, for one reason or another, can't or won't use debit cards. Sure, you can get pre-paid cards, but those carry steep fees and also can sometimes be hard to obtain. Plus, some people worry that an all-cashless society could make it easier for someone to spend far more money than they should on frivolous things. I love coing to casinos, but I'd feel a lot safer just walking in there with a couple of twenty-dollar bills or some such than taking in my plastic (I always leave my wallet in my room when I got gambling and only take what I plan to lose). Others are afraid of having their bank accounts cleaned out due to identity theft/lost card/etc. Sure, there are means of protection out there against these problems, but the fact that they exist at all means that there will always be a portion of the population leery of plastic.
As for me personally, if I'm out on the road or something and I decide to stop and get some candy or a soda or some such from a vending machine, I'd much rather pay with coins than risk having my information copied by a device attached to a plastic-operated vending machine. You already have to watch for those at self-serve gas pumps, after all.
I use plastic every day, and for more transactions than I'd have ever imagined 10 years ago. But I think cash is here to stay, at least in my lifetime.
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Moderator
 United States
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Quote: Unfortunately, not every merchant has one Probably a moot point anyway, since most places would close as soon as the power went out. We happened to be in there when it went out, so they had to do something. I wonder what they would do if they did not have have a manual imprinter or if having a manual imprinter is some sort of requirement. Quote: Do they even still use carbons, are are they carbonless now? The one that was used that day was carbonless.
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Valued Member
United States
320 Posts |
This talk of who pays for what...
Here's one nice thing about cash-- if I say forget my change on the counter of a store and then someone swipes it, I'm out that change...likely less than $20, since rarely is anything larger used on a typical transaction. But if the same thing happens with my credit card, someone might get a few hundred or even a couple thousand before I realize my card is missing.
Or, to expound on the thing mentioned above, if I use a vending machine that steals my money, I know immediately how much it stole, because I know how much I put in. And I know obviously not to put anymore in, because it is not working. With a card, the machine might work just fine-- and steal me blind later.
Or say I get mugged and my wallet taken. With cash, they get what I had. with a credit card, they might get hundreds or thousands... or they might get nothing if I report it quick enough.
With cash in any of the above scenarios, it's straightforward: I am out my money. I know how much I am out right away, because I know how much I had. With a credit card, the thief may get nothing if I report it quick enough, but if they do get something the bank likely picks up the tab as a part of their fraud protection.
But either way we "all" pay for it everyday, (those of us who have a credit card or use a bank) regardless of what the thief gets.
So, in a way, we are all paying for those who don't take the appropriate security protocols-- go through a bad part of town late at night, leave their card on the counter, use an ATM without scrutinizing it first, use a smartphone to pay for their latte, do their financial transactions over unencrypted wifi...
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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S.A.M.: a very good point, and a new twist to this discussion for sure.
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