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Take A Look At This 1812 Capped Bust Early Half Dollar

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 Posted 10/27/2006  2:09 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add TypeMaster to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Check the patterning out on the coin.

http://cgi.ebay.com/AU-58-1812-Capp...58_W0QQitemZ a href= https://www.coincommunity.com/go/link.asp?target=https://www.ebay.com/itm/-/220041664649 target= _blank rel= nofollow 220041664649 /a QQihZ012QQcategoryZ11969QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

My guess is that this is from a mint bag, but..... It is on both sides and it would be highly unusual to see this on both sides of a coin unless it was caught in a crease of the bag and remained there for a long time.

It also could have been wrapped in a cloth with high sulfuric content. Perhaps this is faux toning.

What say you?


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 Posted 10/27/2006  2:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Susanlynn9 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Wow! That's a beautiful coin! We were discussing textile toning in another thread and I think that is the type of toning your coin has.
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 Posted 10/27/2006  2:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biokemist6 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I highly doubt this was caused by a mint bag. That doesn't mean that the toning was done in an artificial manner though. It does appear to have a cloth pattern on it, possibly someone wrapped it in a woven cloth for safe keeping and then it got lost to time.

Morgans from the Treasury hoards that sat in bags for decades have toning similar to this. With that being said, that bustie is worth quite a bit more than most Morgans and the seller only has 8 feedbacks and the only info about the coin itself is in the auction title. This coin really should have been slabbed by a top TPG to maximize profit and rule out AT.
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 Posted 10/27/2006  3:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Disclaimer: I'm paranoid by nature.

I don't like the looks of this seller at all. He's sprung, fully formed as it were, from nowhere, selling high-quality coins. Many are spectacular toners, including others with this same both-sided textile toning. Some are keys. His auctions are well-written, and he's a brand-new seller using Turbo Lister. He now has 40 coins up, MS IH's, DMPL Morgans, key Lincolns, most of them toned. A lot of them have suspicious (to me) colors or details going on.

I dunno. He offers a good return policy, but my spider sense is really tingling with this one.
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 Posted 10/27/2006  3:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TypeMaster to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Good catch! I thought the same thing about the seller.

I wonder if he has found a way to get artificial toning with a burlap cloth (perhaps soaked in a sulfur solution and then dried) using this to wrap the coin for a few weeks.




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Disclaimer: I'm paranoid by nature.

I don't like the looks of this seller at all. He's sprung, fully formed as it were, from nowhere, selling high-quality coins. Many are spectacular toners, including others with this same both-sided textile toning. Some are keys. His auctions are well-written, and he's a brand-new seller using Turbo Lister. He now has 40 coins up, MS IH's, DMPL Morgans, key Lincolns, most of them toned. A lot of them have suspicious (to me) colors or details going on.

I dunno. He offers a good return policy, but my spider sense is really tingling with this one.

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 Posted 10/27/2006  3:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TypeMaster to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I would also think that this seller is an old hand at ebay with a new ID. Probably got himself in trouble with negs on his old ID. Just a guess...
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Originally posted by TypeMaster

I would also think that this seller is an old hand at ebay with a new ID. Probably got himself in trouble with negs on his old ID. Just a guess...

i suspect this to but either way its still a really nice piece!
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 Posted 10/27/2006  7:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TypeMaster to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Agreed!!

I have been a student of toned coins for many years and have enjoyed the research! This coin is a Slapper! As in it Slaps me when I look at it (in a good way)!

I may own this coin before the next 7 days are gone. There are some that you just gotta have. This may be one of them for me.
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 Posted 10/28/2006  12:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add swamperbob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
TypeMaster - These things SCREAM Coin Doctor to me.

The blue tone is typical of artificial coloration and his other auctions all feature the same color on numerous different types of coins - some circulated some original MS. So to believe that these all just happened to tone the identical way stretches the truth way past breaking. No one has that much luck in finding untreated examples of ONE toning color.

I would bid on these coins to 10%-20% under retail for the grade and then REMOVE the color and redarken them to a more normal appearance.
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 Posted 10/28/2006  5:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add madhandles761991 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Wait before you buy. I am in no way a counterfeit detector, but another one of the other coins that he has sold has the similar cloth pattern:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...220037169480

It just seems a little suspiscious...
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 Posted 10/28/2006  5:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TypeMaster to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have little doubt that this ebay seller is acquiring these artificially toned or doing it himself. If I purchase the coin it will be well under FMV.
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 Posted 10/28/2006  6:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Given that it's likely AT, I wonder if acetone would bring it back without getting the coin "too clean?" There's a pretty choice coin under that toning.
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