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Omnivorous New Member Russian Federation 44 Posts	Posted 11/18/2011 8:55 pm Another coin. The collection of familiar kollektsinera. http://savepic.su/745240.htm http://savepic.su/753432.htm Report this Post to the Staff
Omnivorous New Member Russian Federation 44 Posts	Posted 12/31/2011 7:37 pm This is a coin for the occupied territories. On the coins of the stamp, the German occupation administration in Belarus. Issued to the commanders of battalions, for distribution among the local population. Report this Post to the Staff
Omnivorous New Member Russian Federation 44 Posts	Posted 03/04/2012 09:18 am M43 - 43rd year of the sample WB Wehrmacht Befehlshaber (Commander of the Armed Forces) http://www.axishistory.com/index.php?id=3812 Z M - Zahlungsmittel, Zeitmarke, Zeitmark Report this Post to the Staff
Omnivorous New Member Russian Federation 44 Posts	Posted 05/23/2012 6:22 pm Sorry for the bad translation Google Request was made in Bundesarhiv. Studies of the occupation administration in Belarus showed that the records associated with these coins - not detected. Comment from the source Bundesarhiva http://www.bundesarchiv.de/index.htmlde A common problem in the German military history, the study records, the losses incurred during the war, documents destroyed during the fighting. In some aspects / periods of records lost or in part. RESEARCH REPORT record group RH 22 Befehlshaber rÃ¼ckwÃ¤rtiges Heeresgebiet Mitte RH 22/224 Bef. rÃ¼ckw. Heeresgeb. Mitte Ia Anl. z. KTB 21.3.-31.8.41. Negative. Incl. no data re money etc. RH 22/225 Bef. rÃ¼ckw. Heeresgeb. Mitte Ia Anl. z. KTB 1.9.-31.12.41. Negative. Incl. no data re money etc. RH 22/226 Bef. rÃ¼ckw. Heeresgeb. Mitte Ia Anl. z. KTB 1.7.-31.12.41. Negative. Incl. no data re money etc. RH 22/227 Bef. rÃ¼ckw. Heeresgeb. Mitte Ia Anl. z. KTB Juli-Dez. 41. Negative. Incl. no data re money etc. RH 22/228 Bef. rÃ¼ckw. Heeresgeb. Mitte Ia Anl. z. KTB April-Dez. 41. Negative. Incl. no data re money etc. RH 22/229 Bef. rÃ¼ckw. Heeresgeb. Mitte Ia KTB Nr. 2 1.1.-30.6.42. Negative. Incl. no data re money etc. RH 22/230 Bef. rÃ¼ckw. Heeresgeb. Mitte Ia Anl. z. KTB 1.1.-31.3.42. Negative. Incl. no data re money etc. RH 22/231 Bef. rÃ¼ckw. Heeresgeb. Mitte Ia Anl. z. KTB 1.4.-29.6.42. Negative. Incl. no data re money etc. RH 22/232 Bef. rÃ¼ckw. Heeresgeb. Mitte Ia KTB 1.7.-31.12.42. Negative. Incl. no data re money etc. RH 22/233 Bef. rÃ¼ckw. Heeresgeb. Mitte Ia Anl. z. KTB 1.7.-30.10.42. RH 22/234 Bef. rÃ¼ckw. Heeresgeb. Mitte Ia Anl. z. KTB Okt. 42. Negative. Incl. no data re money etc. RH 22/235 Bef. rÃ¼ckw. Heeresgeb. Mitte Ia Anl. z. KTB Nov.-Dez. 42. Negative. Incl. no data re money etc. RH 22/236 Bef. rÃ¼ckw. Heeresgeb. Mitte Ia Anl. z. KTB Juli-Dez. 42. Negative. Incl. no data re money etc. RH 22/247 Bef. rÃ¼ckw. Heeresgeb. Mitte Qu KTB mit Anl. Nr. 1 15.5.-31.12.41. Negative. Incl. no data re money etc. RH 22/248 Bef. rÃ¼ckw. Heeresgeb. Mitte Qu KTB mit Anl. Nr. 2 1.1.-30.6.42. Negative. Incl. no data re money etc. RH 22/249 Bef. rÃ¼ckw. Heeresgeb. Mitte Qu KTB mit Anl. Nr. 3 1.7.-31.12.42. Negative. Incl. no data re money etc. RH 22/215 Bef. rÃ¼ckw. Heeresgeb. Mitte MilVerw. Abschlussbericht Teil 1. Negative. Incl. no data re money etc. RH 22/298 Bef. rÃ¼ckw. Heeresgeb. Mitte MilVerw. Abschlussbericht Teil 2. Negative. Incl. a chapter about financial administration and tax but no information about any kind of occupation money etc. record group RW 41 Wehrmachtbefehlshaber Ostland RW 41/79 WBOstland Ia Festlegung der Sicherheitsbereiche sowie Einrichtung von Wehrmacht- und Standortkommandanturenim Gebiet des Wehrmachtbefehlshabers Ostland Sept. 41. Negative. RW 41/49 WBOstland Ia TÃ¤tigkeitsbericht 16.7.-10.8.44. EnthÃ¤lt u.a.: Ausbau des BrÃ¼ckenkopfes Riga Einsatz der Kommandanturen I'm Bereich Wehrmachtbefehlshaber Ostland Stellenbesetzung des taktischen FÃ¼hrungsstabes unter Generalleutnant John Befehl zur HerauslÃ¶sung des Stabes Wehrmachtbefehlshaber Ostland und Aufteilung zwischen Armeeoberkommando 16 und 18 Ãœbersicht der unterstellten Einheiten und Dienststellen Monatsberichte Nr. 35 und 36, Juni - 8. Aug. 1944 Meldungen und Gefechtsberichte unterstellter Einheiten Einsatzbefehle der Heeresgruppe Nord 1944 Negative. RW 41/54 WBOstland Qu Besondere Anordnungen Nr. 1 -- 43 4.1.-23.6.44. Negative. RW 41/55 WBOstland Int. 1.4.44 Sammlungen von VerfÃ¼gungen des Wehrmachtbefehlshabers Ostland auf dem Gebiet der Verwaltung Negative. Compedium of basic administrative orders regarding money, money transfer, currency regulations, prices. Payment with Rubel in the occupied Russian territory obligatory. No reference to special marking of coins, money etc. record group RW 41 Wehrmachtsbefehlshaber WeiÃŸruthenien (former Stab â€žKommandierender General der Sicherungstruppen und Befehlshaber I'm Heeresgebiet Mitte". Became â€žKommandierender General der Sicherungstruppen und Befehlshaber in WeiÃŸruthenien" under command of Wehrmachtbefehlshaber Ostland. â€žWehrmachtbefehlshaber WeiÃŸruthenien" since 18.4.1944 RW 41/58 WBWeiÃŸruthenien Ia Kriegstagebuch Nr. 6 1.1.-30.6.44. Negative. RW 41/60 WBWeiÃŸruthenien Ia Anl. z. KTB Nr. 1-99 1.1.-10.2.44. Negative. Misc. RW 41/59a WBWeiÃŸruthenien Ia Anl. z. KTB Nr. 100 -- 351 11.2.-30.6.44. EnthÃ¤lt: Umgliederungen der VerbÃ¤nde AuflÃ¶sung von Kommandanturen Verteiler Einsatz von Kontrollkommisionen Lage bei Heeresgruppe Mitte EinsatzÃ¼bersichten der Kommandanturen und SicherungskrÃ¤fte FÃ¼hrerbefehl Nr. 11 "Feste PlÃ¤tze" Korpsbefehle Verwaltungskarte Polnische â€žBandenbewegung" â€žAktivierung des Bandenkampfes" Negative. RW 41/59b WBWeiÃŸruthenien Ia Anl. z. KTB Nr. 100 -- 351 11.2.-30.6.44. EnthÃ¤lt: Umgliederungen der VerbÃ¤nde AuflÃ¶sung von Kommandanturen Verteiler Einsatz von Kontrollkommisionen Lage bei Heeresgruppe Mitte EinsatzÃ¼bersichten der Kommandanturen und SicherungskrÃ¤fte FÃ¼hrerbefehl Nr. 11 "Feste PlÃ¤tze" Korpsbefehle Verwaltungskarte Polnische â€žBandenbewegung" â€žAktivierung des Bandenkampfes" Negative. RW 41/61 WBWeiÃŸruthenien Ia Tagesmeldungen unterstellter Einheiten 1.1.-30.6.44. Negative. Incl. reports on Partisan activties only. RW 41/63 WBWeiÃŸruthenien Ia Kriegstagebuch Nr. 7 1.7.-13.11.44. EnthÃ¤lt: Vorgesetzte Dienststellen: 1. Juli - 10. Juli 1944 Heeresgruppe Mitte 11. Juli - 13. Nov. 1944 Panzer Armeeoberkommando 3 Negative. RW 41/64 WBWeiÃŸruthenien Ia Anlagen zum Kriegstagebuch Nr. 7 4.7.-16.9.44. EnthÃ¤lt: Sammlung von Versprengten Kriegsgliederung Ãœbernahme der BefehlsfÃ¼hrung I'm Raume Kurland Ãœbernahme der Aufgaben des KorÃ¼ck 590 mit Unterstellung der territorialen Dienststellen in OstpreuÃŸen Einsatz der Kommandanturen und Bereichsgrenzen EinsatzÃ¼bersicht der Kommandanturen und Bereichsgrenzen in Kurland Negative. RW 41/66 WBWeiÃŸruthenien Ia Berichte April 44. EnthÃ¤lt: Monatsberichte fÃ¼r April 1944 mit Einsatzkarte der unterstellten VerbÃ¤nde Kriegsgliederungen TÃ¤tigkeitsberichte Negative. RW 41/69 WBWeiÃŸruthenien Qu Kriegstagebuch Nr. 6 mit Anlagen 1.1.-30.6.44. EnthÃ¤lt: Stammlager 352 Minsk Personelle Einsparungen Kriegsgliederungen der Versorgungstruppen Einsatz der 12./ Sicherungsregiment 51 Monatsberichte der Abteilungen Negative. RW 41/72 WBWeiÃŸruthenien Qu Kriegstagebuch Nr. 7 mit Anlagen 1.7.-13.7.44. EnthÃ¤lt: GeschÃ¤ftseinteilung Besondere Anordnungen fÃ¼r die Versorgung TÃ¤tigkeitsberichte Negative. RW 41/70 WBWeiÃŸruthenien Qu Anl. z. KTB Bd. 1: 1. Jan. - 31. Mai 1944 EnthÃ¤lt: Ãœbersicht Ã¼ber Zug- und Waggongestellungen Negative. RW 41/71 WBWeiÃŸruthenien Qu Anl. z. KTB Bd. 2: 1. Jan. - 31. Mai 1944 EnthÃ¤lt: Aufstellungen Ã¼ber zu zerstÃ¶rende Objekte bei den Feldkommandantur 660, 812, 184, Wehrmachtskommandantur Minsk, Oberfeldkommandantur 400 Negative. record group RW 31 Wi Kdo Witebsk bzw. Wi Kdo 206 RW 31/791Wi Kdo Witebsk bzw. Wi Kdo 206 Kriegstagebuch, 1. Vierteljahr 1942. Negative. RW 31/792Wi Kdo Witebsk bzw. Wi Kdo 206 Kriegstagebuch, 2. Vierteljahr 1942. Negative. RW 31/793Wi Kdo Witebsk bzw. Wi Kdo 206 Kriegstagebuch, 3. Vierteljahr 1942. Negative. RW 31/794Wi Kdo Witebsk bzw. Wi Kdo 206 Kriegstagebuch, 4. Vierteljahr 1942. Negative. RW 31/795Wi Kdo Witebsk bzw. Wi Kdo 206 Kriegstagebuch, 1. Vierteljahr 1943. Negative. RW 31/796Wi Kdo Witebsk bzw. Wi Kdo 206 Kriegstagebuch, 2. Vierteljahr 1943. Negative. RW 31/797Wi Kdo Witebsk bzw. Wi Kdo 206 Kriegstagebuch, 3. Vierteljahr 1943. Bd. 1: 1943-1943. Negative. RW 31/798Wi Kdo Witebsk bzw. Wi Kdo 206 Kriegstagebuch, 3. Vierteljahr 1943. Bd. 2: 1943-1943. Negative. RW 31/799Wi Kdo Witebsk bzw. Wi Kdo 206 Kriegstagebuch, 1. Okt. 1943 - 9. Jan. 1944. Negative. RW 31/807Wi Kdo Witebsk bzw. Wi Kdo 206 Kriegstagebuch, AuÃŸenstelle 49, 26. Febr. - 31. MÃ¤rz 1943. Negative. RW 31/808Wi Kdo Witebsk bzw. Wi Kdo 206 Kriegstagebuch, AuÃŸenstelle 49, 30. Aug. 3. Dez. 1941. Negative. RW 31/956Wi Kdo Witebsk bzw. Wi Kdo 206 Kriegstagebuch AuÃŸenstelle Newel, 6. Aug. - 31. Okt. 1941. Negative. record group RHD 72 Kommandanten rÃ¼ckw. Armee- u. Heeresgebiete (official prints) Negative. No prints re Russia/money etc. record group RWD 17 OKW Wehrwirtschafts- u. RÃ¼stungsstab (official prints) Negative. No prints re Russia/money etc. record group RWD 24 Territoriale Befehlshaber in der SU (official prints) RWD 24/1 Verordnungsblatt des Wehrmachtsbefehlshaber Ostland Nr. 1-30 1941-44. Negative. ..........record group RH 49 Einrichtungen des Kriegsgefangenenwesens Checked finding aid online. In the finding aid are references to foreign money confiscated from POWs but nothing about special camp money etc. ..........record group R 6 Reichsministerium fÃ¼r die besetzten Ostgebiete (records at BA Berlin) Checked online finding aid online. Includes no references to money, coins, Rubel etc. ..........record group R 93 Generalkommissar fÃ¼r WeiÃŸruthenien in Minsk 1941-1945 (records at BA Berlin) Checked online finding aid online. Includes no references to money, coins, Rubel etc. ..........record group R 90 Reichskommissar fÃ¼r das Ostland 1941-1945 (records at BA Berlin) Checked online finding aid online. Includes no references to money, coins, Rubel etc. ..........record group R 91 Gebietskommissar I'm GeschÃ¤ftsbereich des Reichskommissars fÃ¼r das Ostland 1941-1945 (records at BA Berlin) Checked online finding aid online. Includes no references to money, coins, Rubel etc. MSG 2/10249 Fotoalbum Ost- und Westfront 1939 -- 1943. EnthÃ¤lt auch: verschiedene FlugblÃ¤tter Besatzungsgeld Negative. Incl. 2 Rubel notes without NS-signs. RW 19/913 OKW/Wehrwirtschafts- und RÃ¼stungsamt MaÃŸnahmen der Reichsverteidigung 1941. EnthÃ¤lt: PrÃ¤gung von MÃ¼nzen und Druck von Rentenbankscheinen (Aufstellung), 25. Apr. 1941 VorlÃ¤ufige AbschluÃŸzahlen fÃ¼r die I'm Osten 1941 angefallene Luftwaffenbeute (Schaublatt), Dez. 1941 Negative. Report this Post to the Staff
Omnivorous New Member Russian Federation 44 Posts	Posted 05/23/2012 6:27 pm Despite the fact that the documents in the archives have not yet been found, I insist on a version of the document, this was written, the source of the Bundesarhiva. Imagining the coins in the occupied territory, it is necessary to understand who could pick up and use a coin in the occupied territories. It may be just what you category of people from the Soviet collaborators working in the occupied territories to Germany voluntarily (spies, informers, informants, etc.) My guess is that this coin - the document has confirmed a German dealer, Alfred Beck http://www.beck-militaria.de/, a few months ago, explaining that this document does not say what kind of document. A comment from one of Russian forums. Story of a German veteran of five years ago, that the coins spread the battalion commanders, among the local population - does not contradict the version of the one who wanted to, he took ... A comment from one of Russian forums forums. Such a stigma, seen on a coin, even in 199 Ã- g for 15 kopecks in his youth did not show any interest. The coin, marked abbreviation, as it is today and the driver's license or insurance certificate, there is a name that makes sense, there is a print, and expiry date. At 4 shared coins have it all in acronyms, and understanding the meanings of the stigma of one character to another. One symbol, emblem of the Soviet Union, destroyed another symbol, an eagle with a swastika. One explanation - the current, a Soviet officer, acting at the same time, a German, a voluntary worker, etc. M43 - 43rd year of the sample document. WB Wehrmacht Befehlshaber (Commander of the Armed Forces) - who have been issued at the last stage, the unit commander http://www.axishistory.com/index.php?id=3812 It does not matter that some documents can not see the M4, those who need, and so aware of them, the most important figure is screwed into the stamp, which put the year of issue and validity of the document (temporary one year). At number 3 on the outer edges, visible angular shape hexagon, the year of issue and validity of the document. I suppose that number 3 is carved on the hexagon which is screwed into the stamp. No. 4, is far from the number 3, the distance between the digits, allows using a key or other tool, it is easy to replace, the figure of the stamp on the desired year, could be placed over the years of occupation numbers 1-2-3-4. ZM - Zeitmarke, Zeitmark - namely, a temporary document, which was valid for one year of issuance. The coins were dug up in Belarus, a small heap, one man with a metal detector, about 3 years ago ... All sold out, but perhaps, in his several thousand coins still exist, as these two ... Coins from the M43 WB - are worn, there are traces of use, the stigma of an eagle and the letters on the reverse of the outer edges are smoothed over a coin hanging in the pocket throughout the year, among his own kind of 20-30, where she very well could hide, well is sometimes used for other purposes. Coins from the M43 WB, having fulfilled his own, were returned to former owners, their commander unit - WB Wehrmacht Befehlshaber (Commander of the Armed Forces), which they gave the new M44 year. The old, 43 years old, lay with the new documents, forms, blanks with the seal of an eagle. In issuing the document, left, only to put a stamp of release ... The coins with one eagle, well see that the edge of the stigma of characters do not have the marks of use, wear, like a coin with the M43 WB. Blanks, blank stamped for new documents were in one place with the old, the sample 43 years old, used documents. Report this Post to the Staff
Omnivorous New Member Russian Federation 44 Posts	Posted 05/23/2012 7:10 pm Comment from the source Bundesarhiva. If the coins were Abwehr business (espionage etc.) record group RW 49 Nachgeordnete Dienststellen und Einheiten des OKW/ Amtes Ausland / Abwehr would be interesting. The RG includes the surviving records of Abwehr units in Russia but it's only a small rest of what existed originally. Checked the finding aid. The record titles do not refer to identity discs (but this was not to expect because the finding aid titles are quite general). But to check all Russia records would take plenty of time and the chance for success is very small. That's why I can not recommend research. Possibly the coins were issued by a local commander or secret service officer. That means they could have been only of local use. Then there is no chance to find information because of small units and local commanders no records survived. Often I saw forms and orders for identity cards for militias and collaborators but saw nothing about secret identity discs for Russians. But the existence of identity cards does not automatically exlude identity discs. But most of the records of the secret service units are lost. The records in RW 49 are only a small rest. That means the chance that we can find docs in the Abwehr records is very small. Notwithstanding cheching the files would need plenty of time. That means the research will be expensive and the chance for success is very small. But so many unauthorized things happend that it makes no sense to say: Impossible. Report this Post to the Staff
Omnivorous New Member Russian Federation 44 Posts	Posted 06/01/2012 6:26 pm In the story, there is a coin with nadchekanami, in the occupied territories ... AK Markov refers to the time they Countermark Persian campaign of Peter I, to the activities of Russian occupation authorities to regulate currency circulation in the occupied regions of Gilan and Mazendaran. Both monety1, which made Countermark, A. Markov, believed issued in Isfahan, one in the 1131's. (1718-1719 gg.), Another in the 1138's. (1725 - 1726 gg.) (Table I, 7, 10). Later in the Hermitage received the third copy Counterstamped coins (Table I, 8), which, according to AK Markova, released in Gandzhe2. http://vsemonetki.ru/books/item/f00.../st014.shtml In order to find out who did it ... looking at these nadchekany, you will never forget about who were the people who made nadchekan, they were not numismatists, and religious people who believed in what they do, and that God helps them in these matters ... Since this version has not heard, I will express it ... The knowledge gained about the coins, the use of coins in ancient Rome, in order to spy on the occupied territories, Peter I have been put into practice ... In the case of complete replacement of the coins in the occupied territories to coin nadchekanami, this area was automatically, under full control of security forces. Spy, it was enough to provide the necessary knowledge to use with a coin. The official explanation for the public, government action in their interests to be declared, but the essence was different ... My opinion is that in many ways, for security in the occupied territory, it was this nadchekan. Report this Post to the Staff
Omnivorous New Member Russian Federation 44 Posts	Posted 06/01/2012 7:24 pm The very essence of nadchekana was a mystery to people in the occupied territories of ancient Rome ... For the current version of the nadchekanah, on coins, I want to make a significant addition ... The Romans were among the first to use these coins for safety and use of coins, ruled the occupied territories. Using ancient and secret knowledge of Roman priests of Rome ... spies were everywhere ... The ancient pagan rite, nadchekanom, destroyed images on coins. The Romans and the Orthodox, differently interpreted his nadchekany, because they are different religions, and, accordingly, different images on the coins and nadchekanah ... But the very essence of nadchekana, the use of secret knowledge with the coin in the occupied territories remained unchanged ... Nadchekany Roman legions Nadchekan Tenth Legion "Fretenzis" Countermark of the Legio X Fretensis 802 10th legion v1 Nadchekan Tenth Legion "Fretenzis" Countermark of the Legio X Fretensis 806 10th legion v1 http://www.judaea.ru/catalog/nadchekany ... _legionov / Report this Post to the Staff
erkle Pillar of the Community 1119 Posts	Posted 06/01/2012 9:38 pm first coin has the insignia of the german SS http://germanmilitariacollectibles..../eagles.html Report this Post to the Staff
Omnivorous New Member Russian Federation 44 Posts	Posted 06/02/2012 7:05 pm Thank you. And what characters you think belong to SS? Report this Post to the Staff
erkle Pillar of the Community 1119 Posts	Posted 06/02/2012 9:19 pm the eagle that was stamped onto the first coin, is the same as the SS eagle emblem. so as someone said as germany occupied towns the ss, I'm guessing, would stamp all the money to show domination over civilians? Report this Post to the Staff
Marcus H New Member United Kingdom 5 Posts	Posted 06/02/2012 11:48 pm With the greatest of respect, the eagle stamped into the coin is not that of an SS eagle, it is that of the 1936 Reichsadler, which was used in a form until 1945. If you look closely the two eagles you will notice they are completely different designs, and that the coin has an eagle facing over its right shoulder; that, is an important contributory factor (of which there are a mulitude in design, intent and use) and distinction in discerning any form of Third Reich eagles significance. Kind regards, Marcus Report this Post to the Staff
Marcus H New Member United Kingdom 5 Posts	Posted 06/03/2012 4:17 pm Hello Omnivorous, I've been following this thread for sometime now and I must say I admire your determination and persistent investigation. However, in my experience over the years I have seen and heard about a multitude of purported ''finds'' in all manner of locations with so called stories of provenance; alas, very, very few prove to be legitimate, or at the very least sustain some reasoned credibility for a dubious ''cum'' unknown item. There are a flood fakes and even ''pimped-up'' original items from Poland, Russia, Latvia...etc That is without considering the articles - albeit industry - of fakes that emanate from the rest of Europe, UK and indeed North America too. For example: not so long ago, genuine ground dug helmet shells from Russia were being embellished with reproduction SS helmet decals, thus subsequently aged to great effect and then sold as originals. To further add to the saga, there was video footage of these so called original combat relics being unearthed! Just about everything to do with Nazi regalia is faked, and even the older fakes are regurgitated in more contemporary efforts of deception; i.e fakes of fakes!! I'm personally not convinced by the coins stamping at all, and I'm struggling with the whole perceived concept also. In other words, I'm of a more than dubious inclination that such ever even existed. The M43, as I know it, would mean Model '43, as in typically an item of uniform/headgear (helmet, cloth cap, uniform..etc); or, as I suspect in my opinion, we have a partial RZM* number being portrayed on the coin. And even then, the very RZM stamping is quite possibly fake too? There are those far more conversant in such than myself, as I am just a military medal collector. The letter ''M'' signifies it is an metal item, the next numeral would indicate what product it is; in this instance we have a ''4'' which would designate the production of Belt Buckles, which would then normally be followed by a slash and a numeral/s pertaining to the manufacturer. So, we'd have something along the lines of, RZM M4/72 (fictional example: Metal product, Belt Buckles/Willi & Sohn, Berlin) and then even perhaps in addition the manufactures logo/characters would be placed on the product. Not all RZM codes would be preceded by the letters RZM, on some items it has the RZM logo or is just devoid of such entirely. Therefore, I also believe the ''ZM'' is part of the RZM lettering and that the ''WB'' is I would suggest almost certainly a manufacturer. What combination of digits they have omitted I don't know, it could even be a stamp pertaining to a number of designated wares. But on a coin, unequivocally, no. Unfortunately, this is what I think we have here, a concoction of an RZM stamp, applied to deceive and enhance a perfectly genuine Soviet coin. Kind regards, Marcus * Reichszeugmeisterei der NSDAP, or RZM, was the quality control of the NSDAP. All companies wishing to manufacture for the NSDAP and affiliated organisations had to adhere to quality control regulations under a granted licence from the NSDAP. Report this Post to the Staff
Omnivorous New Member Russian Federation 44 Posts	Posted 06/09/2012 8:28 pm It is impossible to distinguish in this particular case. Coin from religion. Since you can say so, that on the coin, one religion destroys the other. In order to understand who it is created, and what he believed enough to read 1-2 pages of books written by them ... Secret knowledge of ancient Rome, they were on the 1st place. documents. There are many assumptions that the Nazis were engaged in magic, and studied the ancient European occult sciences. At the present time found many documents confirming the fact that the basis of their personality cult were distorted pagan rituals and symbols that sometimes mystically influenced the outcome of the battle, it was the battle between the forces of good and evil in a mystical world where ghosts and crazy fanatic. The Nazis interpreted the ancient myths and occult sciences. To prove their superiority, the Nazis were to examine all beliefs, myths and religion, and to take from each what is for his new cult of the Aryans, for that would in the future to subordinate all religions. But Hitler wanted to destroy all other religions. His inner circle, which is closely associated with the occult helped him achieve his goals. The Bible is now forgotten. Rosenberg wrote - today originated a new religion, the religion of pure blood, the belief that the election is transmitted by blood. Later, Hitler developed his idea - to return to the ancient knowledge, and will gain strength, all the secret knowledge (knowledge of Roman coins nadchekanah in the occupied territories), light and dark, we get rid of Christianity, and establish a new religion, worthy of our race. The symbol of the swastika has become a new religion. It occurs in many cultures throughout history. For Hitler, the swastika had a different meaning, he wrote to the swastika, the symbol of a noble mission, fighting for the victory of the Aryan Nation. Each religion has its own rituals, so the Nazis had their own rituals. Mass rituals. At the beginning of the war in 1939, the Nazis conquered country after country, but in the 42m, they switched from attack to defense, but were confident that they will not have to defend themselves - ever. The more hopeless the situation was becoming Nazis more often they resorted to the occult sciences, they began to use them in everything from research to strategic planning. Source. http://voenhronika.ru/publ/vtoraja_...d/23-1-0-865 Report this Post to the Staff
Omnivorous New Member Russian Federation 44 Posts	Posted 10/15/2012 5:00 pm Continue ... It is well known that the archaeological excavations carried out in all the occupied countries, and around the world in search of artifacts. Conducting virtual excavation, we can see what the coins were the subject of their investigation. In occupied Poland and Ukraine, could be investigated these coins ... [URL="http://savepic.su/2728411.htm][/URL] Report this Post to the Staff
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