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Russian Silver Coin ? Iranian / Silver Rial? | Mtt & 5 Kran

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 Posted 07/05/2011  6:48 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Kevin42 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I believe I have a Russian Silver coin (about Silver dollar size); has double headed Eagle on back.

Also, have pre-Shah Silver Rial (half dollar size)

Are these worth more than smelt value; have about 10-15 of each.

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 Posted 07/05/2011  9:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add harrison2 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That first one is a Maria Theresa thaler. Sorry, but they are quite common.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maria_Theresa_thaler

Don't know about the second coin.

Anyone else feel like chiming in?
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 Posted 07/06/2011  12:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hello and welcome.

A less glary pic of the Iranian piece might help narrow down the ID, but I don't think it's a coin.
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Hello.
Second coin.
I think it's.
IRAN
KM# 976 5000 DINARS (5 Kran) AH1320 (1902)
23.0251 g., 0.9000 Silver 0.6662 oz. ASW Obv: Legend within
crowned wreath Obv. Leg.: "Muzaffar al-din Shah" Rev: Radiant
lion holding sword within crowned wreath Note: Dav.#288.
Mintage:250,000
F -12USD
VF -16USD
XF -32USD
Unc -60USD
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Ah, yes. That's it.
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Thanks

Have weighed about 1.75lbs...so, melt value = ~$850? w/ .85 silver content


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1.75lb

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16 0z

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.85 silver

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$35/oz

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The finenesses of the two coins are different; the thaler is .833, the Iranian is .900. You'd get a more accurate melt value if you weighed the two piles separately.

Or rather than weigh them, count them. Melt value of the thaler at a spot price of $35 is $26.30 each, the melt for the five-kran is $23.30 each.

The thaler s a restrike - it doesn;t actually date from 1780 - so is only orth bullion value. The five-krans should be worht more than their bullion value, especially the ones in better condition.
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to CCF.

with all.
They made the Maria Theresia for 1780 on to ...
The reason the date is the same is because the coin was used in trade with the Ottoman empire. So to keep them happy and accepting the coin, the date was not changed. There are minor differences between them and as such differing rarities.
This site http://www.theresia.name/en/svariants.html
is a good reference to determine if any fall into the rare catagory.
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