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1890-S Morgan For Grading Plus A Question About Reverse

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This one was tough to take a picture of. The luster is extremely bright and my light source just bounced off it. Also have a question about the reverse. If you look at the bottom where it says ONE DOLLAR the base of the O and N are just about flat with the coin also it just looks different in that area.....polish marks? Struck Through Grease.....not sure what the terms are or what this is.....but the coin itself shows no wear. Any help on the grade and the strike would be appreciated.

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 Posted 07/12/2011  4:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coinguru13 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I will take a stab at grading this coin. MS60
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You might want to take a look into the Photography section on how to minimize the reflection (indirect lighting). There appears to be quite a bit of the hair detail over the brow and a relatively clean cheek to warrant a higher grade like possibly a MS-63. Maybe someone can "doctor" your images to "tone it down" some.

Not sure about the reverse question.
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 Posted 07/12/2011  4:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Adam_E to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
from the pics, it looks to be a 63/4.

and what you are seeing are die polish marks
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 Posted 07/12/2011  4:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add fenton to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Not the best photography but it looks like a solid 64 to me very clean example with good strike and luster
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 Posted 07/12/2011  4:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add shadowtrooper78 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
And I just looked closer at the pictures I took....those are terrible haha. I'll have to do them again. There are no marks on the cheek and only one chatter mark in the fields near the chin. I'll take some more pictures later and try a different light source
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 Posted 07/12/2011  5:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add shadowtrooper78 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ok hopefully better pictures this time

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 Posted 07/12/2011  7:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bryan1315 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I will say this is a solid MS-64. The way to tell polish lines from cleaning is if you look through a loupe the polish lines should be raised instead of indented into the coin because the die itself was where the lines are indented so they will be raised on the coin
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 Posted 07/12/2011  7:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Canadian-Banknotes to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree with MS-64
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 Posted 07/12/2011  8:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add shadowtrooper78 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I like s 64 would really like MS 65.....but picked this one up for $75 so I can't complain
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The first pics were really "lighting issues" but still looks like MS64, the last pictures show its a solid MS64 with a shot at MS65...nice coin for the money...how ever unless you can get a consensis for ms 65 shot, I wouldn't send it in, PGCS retail pricing @ MS63 is $104 so its a break even what you paid and what its worth less the percentage of what the dealers would actually pay you for a holder-ed coin, but at MS64 the price is about{retail} @280. so its worth the submission price to document and establish its value as a RAW coin is subjected to down grading as it allows the new owner the chance of having a more valuable coin bought for less...making LIKE YOU a coin worth the purchasing...VERY nice coin!!
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 Posted 07/13/2011  11:09 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add D0ubl3Eagle to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks like a 64.
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 Posted 07/13/2011  11:49 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coinguru13 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
With the new pics MS63 seems to be fair.
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The lines on the reverse look to be in the planchet - I wouldn't expect die polishing to show up either that strong, or that nicely-parallel. It's a strong strike, though, making me wonder how pre-strike planchet lines could still show up so strongly. I'm guessing this planchet ended up harder than they wanted.
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Definitely worth submitting I think hopefully a shoe-in for a 64 and off-chance at a 65
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 Posted 07/16/2011  1:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add daviscfad to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
its a nice clean coin. I would guess 64 also
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