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 Posted 07/20/2011  11:54 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Bing to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I have been slowly going through my collection trying to weed out any obvious fakes. As I was looking I notice this coin of Augustus.

I was working in Croatia last year and struck up a friendship with a fellow collector (introduced to me by one of my colleagues). I was at his home looking through his collection when he offered to sell me this Augustus (I had expressed interest in obtaining a like coin).

Soooo, I am now wondering if this coin is real or fake and was I duped by this man. I have looked at the known fakes of this coin, but I can't see if there is anything wrong with this coin. Anyone care to profer an opinion?

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 Posted 07/20/2011  12:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Doucet to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
jw

Your giving us beginners quite a test and ecucation.

I would say this coin is genuine.

It looks struck not cast. The edge looks good. Don't see any bubbles

I haven't done any research..... just going by eye. Wait to see.
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 Posted 07/20/2011  12:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bing to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Good afternoon Doucet. Actually, I am trying to educate myself and hoping that others will profit from all my mistakes and fumbling around.

I do love this hobby and have been collecting Roman coins off and on since the early 1980's. Actually, I'm so afraid that over all these years I have been taken to the bank by all the unscrupulous traders in this field of numismatics. I'm not even sure I want to look too closely at my collection for fear of what I may find. But I am determined to do this no matter how I feel. I have a collection of just over 300 coins so I have a lot to look at and it will take some time. As always, when I need a little help, I plan to ask.
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 Posted 07/20/2011  2:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add maridvnvm to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It is difficult to work from images alone. I will make the following comments. The style looks good and so I would eliminate the possibility of it being from modern dies. It doesn't match with any modern cast fakes that I am aware of. The surfaces look good and the edges convincing and it doesn't seem to show any signs of being a cast.
Given that it is difficult to be definitive from images alone I find this one to be convincingly ancient.
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 Posted 07/20/2011  3:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bing to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for your input Martin. Everything you said about this coin is correct. It looks good not only in pictures but in hand as well.

The man who sold this to me opened his home to me and my local colleague and was more than hospitable. He never offered to sell me this coin until I asked where I might find one like it. The area I was working was very near the Roman ruins of Siscia now Siska. I felt like a kid in the candy store as there were more coins available in the area then one can shake a stick. Most were AE2/3 of the Constantine era and an awful lot of Probus. I bought a few of these at a flea market and am very pleased with all of them. This one was the only Denarius and the only one outside of the flea market in Pula
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 Posted 07/20/2011  4:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add aboarman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Oh man, that must have been great hitting all the local markets there! I've not been near the old empire since 1991 when I trouped through Roma, Paris and London, and now that I'm "old" I would love to go back again.
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 Posted 07/20/2011  7:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bing to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
OLD? What is that? I'm retired military but I travel a lot in my current job all over the world. So what is old?

As for Roman Empire holdings, last year I was in Pula, Croatia, Arles, France and Trier, Germany. And this year I just returned from a trip to Southern Spain and such places as Bolognia , aka Claudia Baelo, Arunda and Anicipus, and Italica - what a wonderful place for us Romanphiles (is that a word?). I found no coins for sale anywhere. When I inquired at a coin dealer in Ronda, he was horrified that I asked. And in hushed tones told me it was illegal to buy and sell such antiquities in Spain. Funny how so many seam to be sold on ebay from Spain. Hmmmm.
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 Posted 07/21/2011  1:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Your coin appears to be genuine,a very nice example and one that I would love to have in my collection.
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 Posted 07/21/2011  2:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bing to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks echizento. I now have a warm and fuzzy about his coin. You know, if I had been taken, the money was not the issue as he hardly charged me for this coin (I've paid less for dinner for two at MickyD's). It was just the thought of how I may have been fooled so easily. I am very grateful to know that this man was genuine. Than all of you so much for restoring my confidence in humanity.
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 Posted 07/22/2011  03:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add aboarman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
JW - if 41 isn't old, I'll be sure to tell that to my students! If you're ever in need of an assistant for your travels, I'll be the first to sign up!
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I also agree with maridvnvm, looks fine to me, from the pictures.

When I am considering the purchase of an ancient, I always like to see the coin in hand first. I have thus prevented myself from buying via ebay for ancients. That leaves me with auctions, reputable dealers and coin shows.

Interestingly, I have a gold aureus of this type, in about the same condition. I bought mine from a dealer, whom I know well, who used to work for B.A. Seaby in London. I have had my coin for about 15 years.
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