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My Latest Addition .... 1921 Alabama 2x2

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Fair Warning .... Long fact-filled joyful thread coming up!

It took a lot of searching before I finally found this lovely coin to fill the Alabama slot in my 50-coin US Silver type set.

Thrilled to share my 1921 Alabama 2x2 ... housed in a PCGS MS65 holder and CAC approved.

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The coin is amazing in hand. One unfortunate spot of toning on the obverse which is visible in my photo ... but the original satin luster and fine strike are a joy to view as I twirl the coin about in the light.

Some (hopefully) interesting tidbits about the coin ...

Designed by the grande damme Laura Gardin Fraser ... wife of James Earl Fraser ... James was the designer of many classic US coins including the Buffalo nickel. You can easily see her (LGF) initials on the reverse at 3:00 tight against the rim.

This coin has the distinction of being the first example of a USA coin showing the portrait of a living person ... in this case then-current Alabama Governor T.E. Kilby.

This 2x2 variety (symbolic of Alabama being the 22nd State to enter the Union) was struck in October 1921 ... just three months post the July 1921 striking of the Missouri 2x4 half. Both issues were the first of many upcoming coins in the series intended to extract more $$ from the collectors of the day.

It has been reported that the 2x2 Alabama was actually produced at the recommendation of husband James Earl Fraser ... who recognized the effective sales gimmick of the earlier Missouri half .... and who as a member at the time of the Commission of Fine Arts and held tremendous political influence over the design/approval of US coinage.

Once 2x2 striking was complete, the incuse (on the coin)2x2 legend was simply ground/polished off the master hub and coinage proceeded with the 'plain' variety.

Authorized in 1920 and struck in 1921 to commemorate an event that occurred in 1919 ... this coin contains a confusing array of three dates. I'm still confused 90 years later.

Interesting fact is that the 'x' in the 2x2 legend is actually the St. Andrews Cross ... taken from the Alabama State flag ... the design of which inspired the Confederate Flag.

This issue was mostly sold to Alabama residents and few survived in MS ... and even fewer have been honestly graded by the TPG IMHO. My PCGS-CAC example is the best MS65 I have ever seen ... and it took a lot of searching to come across this one.

Net mintage of the 1921 Alabama was 65,044 coins ... history has lost the distribution between 2x2 and plain ... so most references list them as nearly equal and the market today values them the same.

B. Max Mehl offered some insight into the Alabama 2x2 in his 1937 pamphlet "The Commemorative Coins of the United States" ... of which I have an original version ... I quote below from his 1937 work ...

"If you just want to know when Alabama was accepted into the union you just buy one coin, but if you want to know the numerical order in which it was received, in other words if you want an Alabama half with 2x2 on it, it was necessary to buy another coin at its issue price at the time of only $1.00. But now, brother, (1937) the same coin costs you $17.50, and I dare say that even this price will seem mighty low in the very near future."

I agree with that assessment of future pricing.

Many of you realize that I am also searching for the complementary circulated versions of my MS classic set ... so here is my F15 (my grade) 1921 Alabama 'plain' ... honest wear on original surfaces. A fun comparison to the MS coin show above.

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Having great fun searching for, learning about, and sharing the wonderful coins and history in the Classic US silver commemorative set.

Two coins to go to complete my 50-coin type set in MS.

Appreciate any comments and will reply to any questions.

David
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Very cool. thanks for the info. Never knew all that about this coin!
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That a beautiful coin. The eagle is superb!
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That's a mighty fine specimen you've got there, David!

Being from Alabama, I find it a bit pretentious that our governor would think he was a big enough deal to have his likeness on US currency (though I'm not a bit surprised). The only thing he's remembered for today is Kilby Correctional Facility. Come to think of it, there's also a Bibb Correctional Facility in Alabama.

Just today, I happened to wander into my LCS for the first time in 7-8 years and he had a beautiful "plain" Alabama for sale. I'm thinking of adding it to my collection but the 2x2 looks so much sexier. Would you have had as much difficulty locating a same-grade "plain" version? I guess my real question is do you agree with the equal mintage claims?

Thanks for sharing your beautiful new addition!
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wow. very nice! what would the price gap be between a 2x2 and plain?
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 Posted 07/26/2011  7:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add muddler to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
What a great 2x2 for your collection congratulations.
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Thanks all for the kind comments ... and as well for taking the time to actually read the long thread.

A few replies if I may ...


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I guess my real question is do you agree with the equal mintage claims?


No I do not ... and this opinion is not based on any factual survey but my research over the past 3 years of chasing this set.

I personally believe the '2x2' variety has a significantly lower mintage than the 'plain' Alabama ...

Quoting B. Max Mehl again from his 1937 pamphlet ...

"There were 6,006 coins specimens struck with the 2x2 indicating that Alabama was the twenty-second state to enter the union. All of these coins were distributed."

Mehl could have been wrong of course ... there are no official Mint records that I know of to say for sure ... but he was there in 1937 and much closer to the situation than we are today.

My personal observations of Alabama half dollars available for sale today is 5x to 7x 'plain' versus '2x2' ... which adds some support to Mehl claims of the 2x2 variety being the lower mintage coin.


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what would the price gap be between a 2x2 and plain?


The market does not recognize a difference in price between the two Alabama coins in high MS state ... which lends some support to the 'similar mintage' folks ...

Current Numismedia FMV prices for an MS65 specimen ...

MS65 Alabama '2x2' .... $1310
MS65 Alabama 'Plain' ... $1310


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Would you have had as much difficulty locating a same-grade "plain" version?


Honestly ... Yes.

In my experience the Alabama Half is very tough to come by in an honest MS65 grade. Most are circulated ... a few survived at low MS ... and true MS65 honestly graded coins are tough.

There are many coins out there graded higher by TPG ... covered in such thick toning that it is impossible to accurately gauge the condition of the fields and surfaces ...

Sooo ... for me ... this clean, vibrant and tone free (relatively) MS65 CAC example is the coin of a lifetime and another lovely addition to the other 47 classic US silver commemorative I have slowly acquired.

David
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Two coins to go to complete my 50-coin type set in MS.


Which two do you not yet have?

Me? Only 41 to go!

I'm sure you realized my comments about the obverse were intended to be playful. No disrespect for the coin was intended, as it is indeed a beaut and a pleasure to admire. Long ago conversations with my grandparents made me aware of the dire effects the depression had in Alabama in particular, hence, the rarity of MS examples.

I was curious about the "Here We Rest" inscription on the reverse and found this from www.netstate.com:

Alabama's first motto, Here We Rest, was approved by a Republican legislature after the Civil War, during the period referred to as "Reconstruction." It was approved with the adoption of a new state seal, replacing the one that had been used for 50 years. The replaced state seal, a carry-over of the Alabama Territorial Seal, depicted Alabama and its major rivers. The new seal displayed a bald eagle perched on the shield of the United States Seal. In the eagle's beak was a banner that read "Here We Rest".

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Hmmm, don't know why this would not post correctly. It was a photo of the state seal at the time and represented on your coin.

Interesting stuff. I look forward to your next two acquisitions!

Bill
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Hmmm, don't know why this would not post correctly. It was a photo of the state seal at the time and represented on your coin.
I fixed it for you. Your www.netstate.com link needed the [url][/url] tags. Without them, your [img][/img] tags got wonky.
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Thanks jbuck! I was hoping you might be able to help me out.

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Great fun ... Many Thanks Bill for the research on the Alabama motto!

I am always learning ... appreciate your input ... I had no clue about the history of the Alabama motto and now I know.

Pleased to read you are still hanging out with us ... know that we are here as well to support your growth should you ever choose to pursue you 'missing' 41 coins.


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Which two do you not yet have?


1922 Grant half and 1936 Cincinnati Musical Center half ... I've been through hundreds of these at shows an on-line ... still waiting for the proper lifetime examples that meet my personal standards.

That said ... I have 14 upgrades to make to my current Classic silver set ... so this is a wonderful challenge to slowly pursue the set of lovely coins at my own pace and meeting my own collecting standards.

David
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My LCS has an AU-58 of the 2x2 for $270. A bit high me thinks.

Hung out at said LCS for about an hour today and had a blast. Lot's of sellers of various shapes of silver but at least half of it was either silver plate or copper-clad coinage (foreign and domestic). Saw a couple of fake silver dollars come through as well. The only buyers were picking up silver bullion bars. Business was brisk and many interesting stories were told. Much better than an episode of Pawn Stars!
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very beautiful coin ...... Congrats
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