Another 1930 Penny On Ebay

Me thinks he reads this forum.....

These coins, if genuine, do not appear on ebay. They are confirmed as genuine or have an auction record already to prove provenance, and are sold at public auction.

I would question EVERY 1930 penny that appears on ebay, even if I were convinced myself that it was genuine.

The normal way to sell these coins is through a reputable dealer or by public auction.

I didn't even look at the link!

I agree that trying to pass off a fake 1930 penny as a real one is fraudulent.

But what about selling 1930 pennies as "album fillers" and then burying the word "imitation" amongst the description?

This one went for $1,000 recently

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...180728090564

Am I missing something here? Are there people who are so stupid that they will pay $1,000 for a coin without reading the description fully?
Or is there some market in album filler 1930 pennies that I don't know about?

I am 50/50 on it. I think people should be stating "fake" or "copy" in the listing title. The term "album filler" I'd take to mean low grade coin -

Looking at bidding time, the high two bids of 999 and 1000 came both in the last 2 seconds. Maybe someone logged in, thought they seen a bargain and made desperate final second bid to win...

But, for the other bidders bidding more than 10 bucks... they wern't bidding in the final seconds, surely they'd open their eyes.

I agree with Tim on this:
"The term "album filler" I'd take to mean low grade coin - ..."

- something to put in your album, while you wait for a better example to come along.
I would never have imagined that "album filler" might include a fake, a replica, a counterfeit, or whatever you like to call it.

Using album 'filler' is a subjective term and I don't necessarily have a problem with it being used for fakes. I would personally use it for a low grade genuine coin, but everybody is different. You can still 'fill' the spot in your album with a copy or counterfeit.

Besides the use of filler there are plenty of ways to tell it's a fake in the description and it's a lesson for everybody to pay attention! For example;

1. Who would use an EF 1930 penny as a album filler? Hmm!
2. The seller describes the weight as being incorrect.
3. The word imitation is used twice.
4. Who would sell a genuine 1930 penny with no reserve price, let alone on ebay?

The main problem I have is the "100% original" label. This I believe is the deceptive part! A fake being an 'original' 1930 penny is what leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

My overall feeling is that the seller was trying to get buyers to look at the item by leaving the word/s copy or fake out of the title. Even so, the buyers should still be made to pay for the item as everything is explained in the item description and the title doesn't use misleading words like genuine etc. Who buys a $1 coin without reading the item description, let alone a $1000 coin? Some people have more money than sense)!

I think I remember a few months ago that I saw the term "album filler" used for an English 1930 penny, being described as album filler for an Australian 1930 penny - I cannot remember exactly which item it was and I could be somehow mistaken.
In that example, the coin would not be "fake" or "imitation", but simply would not be the correct one in the album it is being used in.
I think this is where I got my idea of "album filler" being "anything to fill the hole in the album".
This seems to be an expanded version of the generally accepted use being "low grade correct coin" and I accept that "low grade correct coin" is the usual use for the term.
I DO have a problem with the "100% original" text in the ad, but given everything else in the ad, there would be no reason for me to believe I was bidding on a REAL 1930 penny. If it were me selling this item (and I dont think I would be selling any type of fake or imitiation), I would be putting something more along the lines of "100% accurate copy of a 1930 penny" so there could be no mistake about what was being purchased.
As I said before, I suspect that there may be an official problem with listing items as "fake" or "copy".
For this auction, there is absolutely no reason for the price which has been paid.
In the auction world, my understanding is that "you bid, you pay" and it is your job to check out items before purchase. For an online auction, this means "read the description properly before bidding".
For me, since it has been described as an imitation there is no reason to think it is anything other than an imitiation.