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Is This 1900 Indian Cent An Error Coin?

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This coin is tapered and and thinner than a regular penny:
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smashed and out-of-round= damage
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This coin was smashed between two objects; the reverse indentations show the surface it has hit against. Being out of round is the first clue. Biokemist--I did not see your post!

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This is what the person who sold the coin said: The 1900 Indian Head penny being described here was created during the first step of the many steps required in creating the planchet strip made at the rolling mill. The INDIAN HEAD was eventually DIE STAMPED on a tapered planchet punched out of the end of a roll of the planchet strip made at the rolling mill. The correct thickness is rolled out and then the strip is fed into a blanking press, where the raw blanks are punched out. Sometimes the end of the roll as it goes through the high pressure rollers at the rolling mill will be jagged on the edge and the tapering occurs as the end of the strip passes through the last rollers and the pressure is lessened as it passes through. and can cause a tapered and very thin edge at the end of the roll by being stretched and crushed slightly as the end of the planchet strip goes between the high pressure rollers. The strip then goes to the blanking press which punches out the planchets...generally the last planchets punched from the end of the strip are caught before going through the final die stamping process. The equipment has advanced since 1900 . So, will this may never happen again.
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...and can cause a tapered and very thin edge at the end of the roll by being stretched and crushed slightly as the end of the planchet strip goes between the high pressure rollers. The strip then goes to the blanking press which punches out the planchets.
I am by no means the expert on errors here, but here is where I see the breakdown of his explanation--emphasized above. Sure--planchet stock can be rolled out to an uneven thickness, even with a ragged edge. But--consider how the blanking press punches out planchets--they will always be confined to the interior of a perfect circle, even if the planchet is punched from the ragged end of a strip. Next, the planchet goes to an upsetting mill, which raises an edge on the planchet. At this point, any irregularities on the planchet will be evident in rim weakness opposing the clip. Then, when the coin is struck from a planchet, a collar surrounds the planchet, again keeping its shape within a circle. Therefore, a coin which shows a strong rim opposing a tapered area extending beyond a circle could not be struck that way--it is simply damage.
That's how I would explain it--a real expert may have a better explanation of the process.
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the person that told you that had a nasty case of verbal diarrhea- spewing out all kinds of things and having no actual idea what it really means Nowhere did the seller address the FACT that the coin is out of round and thus, is larger on that side than a normal coin would be. Yes, you can have a coin struck on a tapered planchet and it will be slightly underweight but it will ALWAYS have the same diameter as a normal cent. I would bet that your coin has the full weight of a normal VG Indian Head cent.

I would recommend you see about getting a refund. The seller was either completely clueless or deliberately taking advantage of you, that coin is worth about 10 cents in its damaged condition.




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The cent on the right was struck on a thin planchet, it is 0.4g lighter than normal. Notice that it appears to be relatively normal compared to the regular wheatie on the left. Visually, the wide rounded rims and the softness of the reverse at ONE are the best indicators of an abnormal cent. I actually found this one by sound though when I was sorting wheaties on a desk- a thinner lighter coin will ring with a higher pitch than regular coin. If I hadn't been plunking them down on a wood desk, this coin would have ended up in a bulk lot of wheats that I sold.
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Look at the height of that **tapered** cent to the normal cent.
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Yep, it's PMD!
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biokemist6

Thanks for the advice, I did just that.
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