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I think it is fairly interesting that most people on the forum, including myself are weary of using binder pages to hold 2X2 flips and 1.5X1.5 flips that contain PVC.
When I am at the coin shows however all the coin dealers use binder pages to display their coins. Some of the binder pages are old looking so I know those have PVC and I notice the brands of other pages in other instances that I know don't make safe non pvc pages. I have a pretty tight budget so I don't buy slabbed coins ever, and always shop out of these binders. I just think it is interesting that I shop out of binder pages that most of us think are unsafe for coins from people who should be very knowledgeable about coins and keeping them safe.


something weird to think about
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Well, I suspect 99.999% of dealers are well aware of PVC and the damage it causes. I seriously doubt their binder pages are PVC type. Even if they are, there really is no harm because the PVC has probably not degraded and, if it did, it would have to penetrate the 2x2 holder to cause damage.

I think a lot of you guys are a little too paranoid about PVC. LOL
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Their old-looking quality may validate its age or condition (to a point), in terms of the method of preservation. There were only a handful of times when I had to reframe some buys if I thought that the flip would further degrade the coin. Goes both ways.
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Yeah, I think people might go over board with the PVC stuff too. I use vinyl pages for some of my coins and my sets while I build up enough coins to justify buying dansco albums. I just though it was an interesting topic to think about. Lead Dog doesn't make non PVC pages and about 3/4 of the dealers at the show I go to have those pages. I don't think the PVC will cause damage unless the coin is sitting directly in the PVC slots
if you are using 2X2s I think the coins will be fine. Just thought it was interesting for those who do care so much about PVC and staying away from it
I kind of wondered their opinion on the matter and wondered if they cared about buying coins from pages like this at shows
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I agree that the 2x2s probably protect coins from any potential damage by the pages. It may also be that not all PVC pages contain dangerous plasticizers (some may actually be perfectly safe). But if you are buying pages for yourself, there's no reason to take the chance, so you might as well get the definitely safe kind.
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I don't know much about LeadDog pages but the description is polypropylene. Why do you say they don't make non-pvc pages?

http://www.brent-krueger.com/vinylpages.html
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At every coin show I've ever gone to almost, not all, dealers have the more expensive coins in either the smaller flips or the larger 2x2's. Those are almost always in a glass covered case and many have locking systems that require a screw type thing to open them. Almost always when I ask for any coin of low value I'm told OH, those are in those binders over there. Some don't even bother to use those binders but keep all lower priced coins in those Red Whitman 2 row boxes for 2x2's. Maybe it's just around here but most of the dealers at shows I go to are on the better to be safe than sorry system.
One of the larger dealers at many of the shows has really large glass covered cases with only the flips with coins separating the flips. No little separators of any kind. He usually has about 4 tables full of those things. And his prices reflect those cases too.
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The polypropylene ones are BCW, not Lead Dog.
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The polypropylene ones are BCW, not Lead Dog.

This post made me go look at the ones I have. Oddly enough I found I have several different types and most do not have any info on them as to who made them, where made or anything. If purchased loose at a coin show or coin store and no info on them, this would make it really difficult to know which is which.
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The BCW ones I have say BCW on them.
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all around the forum it appears that the word "vinyl" means containing PVC
here is a quote with a more in depth description about some of the things listed above about lead dogs plastic
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All vinyl pages by chemical structure will contain PVC. The question is how much and how soon it will cause problems. Mylar or Polypropylene are 2 of the more stable flexible plastics. I have used both. The vendor is correct, except no one will define what a "short time" really is and under what conditions of humidity, temperature, and Ultraviolet it is.

Jim"
Lots of interesting information out there on the topic of binder pages
something I think all coin collectors should be aware of before using products. If nothing else it is a way of ensuring if something happens to your collection that you knew the possibility was there. It is kind of like the possible side affects label on medication.
as far as dealers putting there good coins in cases rather then binders, I think everyone sees that at every show. I think it is more a security thing then it is a PVC thing. Anyways. Some people do go over the top about the PVC scare, but hey it may be warranted, you won't know the side effects unless you try it, right?
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Vinyl is PVC. They're two words for the same thing. PVC stands for polyvinyl chloride. The threat comes from the volatile plasticizers in PVC which makes it soft and flexible instead of stiff and rigid.
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I think a lot of you guys are a little too paranoid about PVC.


Better safe than sorry

But yea, maybe a bit.
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I am almost certain the Dansco 12-pocket 2x2 pages are PVC (I can only go by the description; I have never called to ask them, although I know I should). I have a few albums using them for my miscellaneous and dark side stuff. I have always thought the 2x2s would protect the coins from the pages, but I have always had concerns in the back of my mind.

These pages are close to twenty years old now and have always been stored in a stable environment. I have not seen any problems with them. I have pulled several of the 2x2s out to see if plasticizers have leeched out onto the them. Nothing. That is, nothing like I have seen in the past (and I have seen some nasty plasticizer damaged coins).
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