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Help With ID On 2 Chinese Silver Sycees / Ingots

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Bought these two recently from a house clearence, the owner said his brother picked them up in China in the early 1970's.
Not sure where to start with them - can anyone help with date / province/value etc?

Piece 1 - 105 grams



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Piece 2 - 180 grams



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Thanks!
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 Posted 09/22/2011  7:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tokenmast to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Sycees similar to these are what got me started collecting silver coins, art bars, and ha other good luck stuff
three yrs later I have learned how to test . and what to expect I want to believe some of the characters do say silver but from there
sure silver was cheap in the 70s but I think the Chinese Gov. really did frown upon shipping out antiques not just but I still want to believe but that's me
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I'm not familiar with sycees but I'll try to help with the translation.

1.1 (right) fa cai "fortune"
(bottom) zu yin "fine silver"
(top) too small to read but may say "made in (or by) Dong Chang"
(left) too small to read

1.2 unable to see any characters or design

1.3 (top) er liang "two taels"
(right) zu yin "fine silver"
(bottom) zhao cai jin bao "money and treasures will be plentiful"
(left) dong chang "Dong Chang" (name of silversmith or city)
(middle) fa "to issue"

2.1 zu yin "fine silver"

2.2 guang xu yuan bao "the same inscription that is found on silver coins issued during reign of the Guangxu Emperor (Emperor De Zong) 1875-1908

2.3 two dragons playing with a flaming pearl

2.4 zhao cai jin bao "money and treasures will be plentiful"

You may want to determine if these are really silver. Some of the inscriptions are what one typically finds on "charms" and souvenirs. Also, the first one states its weight as "two taels" but seems too heavy at 105 grams to be silver.

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boy did I get that wrong

Quote:
during the turn of 1970s and 1980s, silver price rose to a peak of more than US$50 per ounce.

from Sycee talks
http://www.sycee-on-line.com/Sycee_talks.htm

oops still learning
real silver ones have a built in wave pattern that is hard to duplicate. I have a copy one with one shrinkage line per inch
real one maybe 20 lines per inch (on the top )not cast in place.
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Thanks very much for the info. guys!

I have seen a few examples that are similar to these that are legitimate, but a lot hangs on the truth of them actually being bought originally in the 1970's to them being authentic.

Manymore - thanks very much for the translation, a big help. Should hopefully give me a lot to work with in taking any research further. Hard to tell if they are indeed solid silver or not - perhaps a jeweller or similar will be able to make a test.

Tokenmast - thanks for that link, i'll start reading around the topic of Sycees a bit more. Any idea how I might go about testing the silver content?
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[eBayItem]110745925074[/eBayItem]
I have used this tester on mine

good place to start! There are other tests
and this one is only skin deep. But a pure core with base metal cover? sounds like "bond James Bond "



edit cause the first ebay didn't work now different
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09/23/2011 2:36 pm
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These two types are common fakes sold on ebay. They should be some type of base metal alloy with no silver at all. Two taels which one is marked traditionally is about 37.5 grams and that piece would be made about 1946 as a gift. During that time a tael could also be very close to a Troy ounce at 31 grams. So two taels would be 62 to 75 grams, not over 100 grams for sure. Who would be going to China during the 1970's China? They were in turmoil with the Cultural Revolution which antiquities were destroyed. Go to any souvenir shop in a Chinatown in North America and you'll finds these copies for sale. Cheers! CP
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