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 Posted 01/27/2012  4:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bobbyhelmet to your friends list
I think your coin is M2 - she is holding both of the standards (rather than 1) and is standing.

Sadly the picture on wildwinds does not seem to match the description (surprise-surprise!) which means either the picture is wrong or the description or both or I'm not using it correctly.
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 Posted 01/27/2012  4:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jessvc1 to your friends list
I am not sure I guess that I was trying to attribute this coin like roman imperials. I am still pretty much a beginner with dacia coins.
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 Posted 01/27/2012  4:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bobbyhelmet to your friends list
I have an original pdf of the 1912 book in Bulgarian but never got around to trying to understand it.


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NOTE: Some coins below describe Dacia as holding two standards. In actual fact, she is holding only one, (in her left hand). The other standard is standing beside her to left.


Noticed this at the top of the Wildwinds page so maybe the pictures are OK but its still quite confusing. I'll have a look at my pdf!
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 Posted 01/27/2012  4:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bobbyhelmet to your friends list

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I am still pretty much a beginner with dacia coins


Dont worry - you and me both.
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 Posted 01/27/2012  4:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jessvc1 to your friends list
that sounds like a good PDF to have is it about provencials or just dacia coins. can you read bulgarian?
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 Posted 01/27/2012  4:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bobbyhelmet to your friends list
It covers 'Ancient Coins of the Balkan Peninsula'.

I'll upload it somewhere so you can download it but cant tonight, busy, remind me if I forget. I think I'm right in saying its out of copywrite so nobody need get funny about my circulating it.

Unfortunately no, I cant read Bulgarian, hence my putting this off for so long but I have about 6 Vim and Dacia coins I want to attribute so I need to bite the bullet.
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 Posted 01/27/2012  5:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ioan to your friends list
Dacia Moushmov 2
Dacia. Philip I. AE 28 mm. 16.6 g. Obverse: IMP M IVL PHILIPPVS AVG. Laureate and draped bust right. Reverse: PROVINCIA DACIA. Dacia standing
left, lion and eagle at feet. AN III in exergue
In 246, Emperor Philip the Arab, located in the province of Dacia given right to mint bronze coins. The new coins have the reverse legend PROVINCIA DACIA and in excerga year of issue AN (I. II, III) by granting the right to mint coins(246)
So this coin was probably minted in 248
On the reverse are the two legions in arms (XIII - Gemina and V - Macedonica) with respective symbols feet (lion and eagle)
Romanian historians believe that these coins were minted for the Ulpia Traiana Sarmizegetusa.
I am realy sorry for my bad english
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 Posted 01/27/2012  5:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jessvc1 to your friends list
ioan you would attribute this coin as a Dacia Moushmov 2? Moushmov 2 it is.
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 Posted 01/27/2012  5:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bing to your friends list

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I would say Dacia Moushmov 2 looks closer


So it would appear I was correct in the first place. I certainly wasn't sure, but it looked right to me.
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yes JW good job I asked dane about it but she didnt say if it was 1 or 2 just gave me the other references. You guys out voted me I thought the bust looks more like a 1 but I guess it can go either way.
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I thought the bust looks more like a 1 but I guess it can go either way


You must remember the Moushmov numbers are very 'loose', they can cover a number of coins, Pick and Pick-Martin go into a lot more depth. Its not like RIC where if you find a matching coin it often looks similar to your own. Its more of a mass attribution.
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 Posted 01/27/2012  6:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bobbyhelmet to your friends list

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Romanian historians believe that these coins were minted for the Ulpia Traiana Sarmizegetusa


Thanks ioan - I was trying to find info on UTS, Apulum and Potaissa but nothing seemed definitive.
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 Posted 01/27/2012  7:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jessvc1 to your friends list

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You must remember the Moushmov numbers are very 'loose', they can cover a number of coins

Thanks for all the info on these coins everyone, its much appreciated! I'm learning something every day.
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 Posted 01/28/2012  03:01 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ioan to your friends list
This type of reverse is unique for provincial Roman coins because show the name of the province, not name of the city where was minted.
Reverse composition suggests safety and welfare in this province
Curve Dacian sword with Roman symbols show the unity of the Roman army and the local population
Dacia Province shows that this coin was minted for the entire province, which was divided into three (Dacia Apulensis, Dacia Malvensis, Dacia Porolissensis), headed by a governor (consularis Trium Daciarum), and not only for a city (see legend Viminacium - PMS COL VIM)
Dacia prosecutor headquarters has always been to Sarmizecetusa, where he met the Trium Daciarum Concilium, so it would be natural that these coins have been struck at Sarmizecetusa
It is less likely to have been struck at Dacian mints Apulum or Potaissa, but who knows?
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 Posted 01/28/2012  08:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bobbyhelmet to your friends list
I found a link to the Bulgarian 1912 edition of Moushmov:

http://books.monetonos.ru/numi3mati...a%201912.pdf

Luckily - as its written very concisely its not that hard to translate - Dacia starts on page 1 and Viminacium on page 5.
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01/28/2012 08:58 am
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