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1911 LWC (0/1)?

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 Posted 02/15/2012  5:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add amida17 to your friends list
Definitely just damage.


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I took the coin to a local coin dealer and had a couple of guys look at it. They were not aware of any varieties of this type and suggested that I send it in to have it graded. I would like some more opinions.



Here is my opinion.....stay away from that coinshop.
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 Posted 02/15/2012  5:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add freeman to your friends list
I appreciate the feeback and value everyone's opinion, but I have another question. How is it possible for the damage to look like a zero over a one?
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 Posted 02/15/2012  5:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add amida17 to your friends list

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How is it possible for the damage to look like a zero over a one?



There is no way you will ever know for sure what caused it but it is clear that somthing struck the coin and moved the metal.

Think about this. What date would 0911 be? Why would that date ever be placed on a U.S. die?



edited for spelling
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02/15/2012 5:33 pm
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 Posted 02/15/2012  6:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biokemist6 to your friends list
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 Posted 02/15/2012  6:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pman860507 to your friends list
Looks to me like the top of the 1 got smashed to the side. giving the appearance of an oval.
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 Posted 02/15/2012  9:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add freeman to your friends list
I posted another pic that is somewhat of a clearer image. I think it allows for a better view of the depth and the outline of the first number in the date. Good point about the date amida17 and I did post this in the classics as biokemist6 generously offered, but I wanted more than one opinion. If the one was pushed to the side in the shape of an oval then how is it possible for the face of the coin to show between the damge and the inside of oval? Just wondering.

Thanks, Freeman
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 Posted 02/15/2012  10:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add amida17 to your friends list
Aliens.
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 Posted 02/15/2012  10:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add IC Double to your friends list
yep the aliens damaged that coin. I see this all the time its just a damaged coin. The scratches alone on the one should point that out to you.
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 Posted 02/16/2012  07:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add freeman to your friends list
So you don't know the answer to the question? That's cool. If you see it all the time then it shouldn't be to hard for you to show me some examples. Maybe you alien buddies have some.
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 Posted 02/16/2012  07:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add amida17 to your friends list
I apologize for being flip. It is just that there is no way to know HOW it happened. Sometimes with coins all you can say is how it did not happen. Sometimes we see what we want tosee, it is human nature to see recognizable shapes out of random patterns.
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 Posted 02/16/2012  08:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add freeman to your friends list
Apologies to you as well, your opinion is appreciated and your right after looking through thousands of coins I believe it's easy to start seeing things that aren't there. Again thanks for your input to this topic amida17.

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 Posted 02/16/2012  3:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add IC Double to your friends list
freeman I dont keep them nor waste a picture on them. I have no interest in damged coins so sorry I cant show you a pic of one. But look on the site and youll see many examples people posted in the past on here. I wasnt being rude saying aliens did it just being a little silly I guess. But in all seriousness maybe a UFO did it.
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 Posted 02/16/2012  7:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list
UFO = Unidentified Flatting Object? LOL
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 Posted 02/16/2012  7:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cpfull to your friends list
One of the first posts I had was a 1925 wheatie the had damage that made the 2 look like an upside down seven. I keep it as a interesting example of what random damage can look like, IF I can find it I will snap a new pick to show you, but I looked for a while before posting and only found I need to take a month to organize my house and collection
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 Posted 02/17/2012  07:03 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coppercoins to your friends list
1. The first digit of the date was placed into the master die prior to making any hubs or dies. This means that if there was a zero as the first digit of the date on ONE coin, ALL of them would be like that.

2. Your coin dealer is a quack who has no clue what they are suggesting. Sending this damaged coin to a grading service would be a complete waste of your time and finances. Obviously the dealer doesn't care about that.

3. HOW the damage occurred to your coin? Well there is no way of telling exactly what caused it, but HOW is a different story. The 1 digit on your coin was scraped off to one side by something that had a lot of force behind it. It was scraped from left to right. The curved pile of stuff to the right of the normal 1 is most of the relief of the 1.

4. When trying to determine whether something is - or is not - on a coin, take into account the surrounding area of the detail that caught your attention. If you direct your attention to the vest and bow tie area you will see a lot of damage in that area that is certainly directly related to the damage on the 1. This is part of the deduction process that has to go with every coin attribution. If you are going to collect die varieties or errors, this simple deduction process needs to become a part of what you do when looking at coins.
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02/17/2012 07:05 am
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