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Unexpected 1735 Halfpenny Of George II

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 Posted 03/11/2012  7:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Apollo to your friends list
Woah, that's cheap! Good job
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 Posted 03/11/2012  7:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list
Beautiful coin.
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 Posted 03/11/2012  9:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add copper nickel daddy to your friends list
This is probably a dumb question, as I know little about British coinage of this era, but does this coin show signs of being struck on an already struck coin? I see a lot of extra lettering under BRITTANIA and some other extra detail, especially on the reverse.
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 Posted 03/11/2012  10:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list
The copper of George 11 in this condition is very scarce indeed. I have a few, but none anywhere this grade.
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 Posted 03/11/2012  10:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add t360 to your friends list

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This is probably a dumb question, as I know little about British coinage of this era, but does this coin show signs of being struck on an already struck coin? I see a lot of extra lettering under BRITTANIA and some other extra detail, especially on the reverse.


On the contrary, that is an EXCELLENT question!

On the reverse, the incuse letters running under "BRITAN" are "GEORGIVS" running counterclockwise, and you can see an incuse "II" just under the shield.

I vertically flipped the image of the obverse to see how another coin might have caused an obverse brockage. Obverse brockages occur when the previously struck coin is not ejected and gets stuck to the lower die.

This planchet looks like it got a weak impression of the obverse design from an initial striking with a coin stuck in the lower die, then the stuck coin was ejected, and the planchet struck again normally. If someone has a different explanation, let us know.

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 Posted 03/11/2012  10:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add copper nickel daddy to your friends list
No, I think you nailed it! That makes plenty of sense. Since the coin is in such fantastic condition the brockage is very clear. A thought: might it be severely clashed dies?
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 Posted 03/12/2012  05:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add t360 to your friends list
I think the lettering would be raised (not incuse) if it were due to a die clash.
No that's not right. A die clash would look similar. It would have to be a very severe die clash to produce such a strong effect.
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 Posted 03/12/2012  4:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list
t360: Was the 70 Euros what you bid, or was it the hammer price?
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 Posted 03/12/2012  5:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add t360 to your friends list
There was one other bidder at the opening bid of 60. I bid 70. The hammer price was 70.
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 Posted 03/18/2012  11:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Archraz to your friends list
Amazing coin! very pretty!
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 Posted 03/21/2012  5:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BillSnyder to your friends list
Hi -

I believe that this is a Die Clash. Sometimes they are quite strong, like the incuse lettering near the bottom of the obverse of this piece from Bolivia -

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Super-nice halfpenny, by the way!


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 Posted 03/21/2012  7:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add t360 to your friends list
Very interesting die clash! Thanks for posting it.
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 Posted 03/21/2012  7:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add t360 to your friends list

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Super-nice halfpenny, by the way!


Thanks! It arrived today and I am very happy. It is a nice even brown and there are some traces of red around the legends.
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 Posted 03/22/2012  4:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BillSnyder to your friends list

About to upload my Maundy errors. I ran across this die-clashed 4d -
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 Posted 03/30/2012  4:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add britcoin to your friends list
WOW I think that sums it up
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