Ebay Roll Scam - How Is This Guy Faking The Wrapper?

There was a time in America when a large group of citizens from this fraudulent vendor's home town would have gone to his place of business, dragged him into the street and tarred and feathered him. And they would have been applauded, rather than fined, for having done so. It's too bad we have become a society in which crooks can get away with so much.

There was a guy in the sports card show circuit that was well known for selling fake autographs. It was amazing how many times in a show he was seen picking his stuff up of the floor surrounding a collapsed table. No one ever saw the table actually fall though, except him.

So I am one of the unwashed here, I bought two of these rolls, but I didn't pay his crazy prices. The seller on ebay that I bought from is rollcellar and I just sniped his auctions. I got one roll for about $60 and it contained coins that easily covered that. The other I think I paid about $80 for but didn't open it. Both of these were purchased well over a year ago. I also bought about seventy rolls from him in bulk for about $ 0.85 a roll. All un-circulated rolls from about 1954 to about 1977. I found this thread today while searching (found this forum too) for information on faking rolls because I know they are not as advertised. But I felt I got a good deal until this thread that stated "lots of fake 1909vdb coins" and now I need to know, how do I tell? I never felt the coins would ever be a solid roll of 1909 coins because I first investigated as to 'when' rolls were first used. That information told me that I certain to have coins up to the late 1940's in any roll I purchase that was created at the done of machine rolling. But that one roll that I did have a 1955S that was MS65, and more including a 1914S in EF40 condition. So I don't know how I feel, this thread made me feel initially like a fool. But opening my spreadsheet to see what was in my roll and what it 'could' be worth I feel that it was a reasonable purchase. But only had my lower buy in.

Maybe it is just the pictures Linc, but I don't see a VDB on either of those coins - look like plain 1909's to me.

Linc, I also am a new member here, but have been collecting Lincolns for a while now.
I, like KenKat, do not see the VDB on the reverse either.

I'm glad even as a rookie which I still am I don't pay much for anything. Being cheap has it's perks. I have done really well. I know when looking at these roll that have 1909vdb I'm not bidding on it as if it was an S. who would? If they do that is crazy like the rolls that have one indian head S on the end. You know it is most likely a 1908 so bid on it like it is. I have gotten lucky a couple times and gotten a couple rolls like this for pretty cheap. Even if the coin where in poor condition it would cover the costs. That's the type of deal I look for. And it works. And people bid these Rolls up to much I won't bid till the end because why bid it up when I can just take it for less at the end. Honestly I think the auctions are a joke. And are there for people to scam and gamble. Want a fair deal make sure it's grade by a trusted TPG. And buy it now for a price it's worth. May the odds be forever in your favor

Who needs 3D printers when a 2D printer will do the job for you?
"Buy the coins, not the wrapper", perhaps a rapper is selling them
'Buy the product, not the story'

I thought I would share some of my original bank rolls with you

1959-D-Federal Reserve Bank of Chicago 100++ Rolls

1960 - OBW Stamped with bank in NY 10+ Rolls

1960-D Bank of Chase Manhatten

1954-S- Bank of San Fransico

Amongst other rolls not labeled,300+ Rolls and over 100 Proof Rolls. *** Edited by Staff - Please review the rules that you agreed to when you registered. *** related to buying and selling

Thanks