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Ebay Roll Scam - How Is This Guy Faking The Wrapper?

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We've even seen ccfs who were trying to talk themselves into buying one.

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Proof that the roll is not authentic (geek incoming!):

The "Apr 1909" on the roll is in Arial-type font. Arial was invented in 1982.
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The movie came out in 1989.

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I truly trust these "tear their theory to tatters" threads tremendously.
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, ninamason!
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Thank you, biggfredd!!


Hope that information was helpful to anybody who wasn't convinced. If you're going to fake, for the love of Pete, know your fonts and antique abbreviations ("Sherlock Holmes, Esq." as opposed to "Mr. Sherlock Holmes," for example).
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The "Apr 1909" on the roll is in Arial-type font. Arial was invented in 1982.

Which "just happens" to be handy for anyone with a PC.
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Yes, and because it looks so basic, many people think it must be a "default font" dating back many years, when the truth is that it's a sans-serif font and most older fonts are serif (I didn't have any graphic design-major friends in college, or anything). They would have been better off using Times New Roman, which is still out of date (Wikipedia informs me it was first set in 1931) but closer to the correct time period, and with enough "lookalike" fonts to be less distinguishable.
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There was a time in America when a large group of citizens from this fraudulent vendor's home town would have gone to his place of business, dragged him into the street and tarred and feathered him. And they would have been applauded, rather than fined, for having done so. It's too bad we have become a society in which crooks can get away with so much.
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The only way to really know if its real or not would be to test the ink on the wrapper. Honestly, these rolls are becoming such an old topic that it seems kind of like you get what you deserve if you are willing to spend $700 on a roll that may or may not contain anything of any value in it.

You could easily counterfeit this roll with the right equipment. It wouldn't even take a $1 to make.
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There was a time in America when a large group of citizens from this fraudulent vendor's home town would have gone to his place of business, dragged him into the street and tarred and feathered him. And they would have been applauded, rather than fined, for having done so. It's too bad we have become a society in which crooks can get away with so much.


There was a guy in the sports card show circuit that was well known for selling fake autographs. It was amazing how many times in a show he was seen picking his stuff up of the floor surrounding a collapsed table. No one ever saw the table actually fall though, except him.
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are becoming such an old topic


Considering this thread is almost two years old, that is a true statement.
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So I am one of the unwashed here, I bought two of these rolls, but I didn't pay his crazy prices. The seller on ebay that I bought from is rollcellar and I just sniped his auctions. I got one roll for about $60 and it contained coins that easily covered that. The other I think I paid about $80 for but didn't open it. Both of these were purchased well over a year ago. I also bought about seventy rolls from him in bulk for about $ 0.85 a roll. All un-circulated rolls from about 1954 to about 1977. I found this thread today while searching (found this forum too) for information on faking rolls because I know they are not as advertised. But I felt I got a good deal until this thread that stated "lots of fake 1909vdb coins" and now I need to know, how do I tell? I never felt the coins would ever be a solid roll of 1909 coins because I first investigated as to 'when' rolls were first used. That information told me that I certain to have coins up to the late 1940's in any roll I purchase that was created at the done of machine rolling. But that one roll that I did have a 1955S that was MS65, and more including a 1914S in EF40 condition. So I don't know how I feel, this thread made me feel initially like a fool. But opening my spreadsheet to see what was in my roll and what it 'could' be worth I feel that it was a reasonable purchase. But only had my lower buy in.

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So I didn't have the pictures when I posted, but here are the two 1909 VDB coins from the roll. Tell me, are the fake?



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Maybe it is just the pictures Linc, but I don't see a VDB on either of those coins - look like plain 1909's to me.
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