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Poor Baby Cried When Caught Stealing Copper

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 Posted 05/19/2012  4:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ed_B to your friends list
Well, wah, poor baby. Does the phrase "get a rope, boys" mean anything? It should.

As to the restitution angle, this is a sop to people who ache for these poor down-trodden folks with sticky fingers. If the guy could pay it, he would not have been out stealing other people's property and damaging their lives.


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Fed. prisons are a lot easier to do time in than State prisons.

And you know this because... ?


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I see the others rec'd lighter sentences. They probably confessed and testified against the ring leader.

Probably. Judges tend to go easier on those who did not instigate the crime and who cooperate with the police and the court.
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 Posted 05/19/2012  4:59 pm  Show Profile   Check vermontensium's eBay Listings Check vermontensium's eCrater Listings Bookmark this reply Add vermontensium to your friends list
Good. Should have doubled his sentence.
California, he would be out in a year.
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 Posted 05/19/2012  10:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spider5689 to your friends list
I read about these stories every few weeks in the local papers. Every year this kind of crime is becoming more frequent. The worst one I read actually happened to a church a few blocks away from my old house. While renovating the church they removed the bronze church bell and placed in an outlying shed until the renovations were complete. The next weekend the bell was missing. To date the local PD has found no leads, but they believe it was taken for scrap. I have no sympathy for any of these criminals.
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 Posted 05/19/2012  10:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add amida17 to your friends list

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I have no sympathy for any of these criminals


nuff said....
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 Posted 05/19/2012  11:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list
In the Australian justice system, that guy would have been sentenced to no more than six months jail, with no restitution to anybody. He would have picked up many more criminal skills in jail from the other inmates, anyway.

The cost to the community for continuous incarceration of a prisoner in Australia is well over $100k pre year.

On that basis, the cost to the community for his incarceration would be at least $1.5 million.
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 Posted 05/20/2012  12:10 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mitchhailey to your friends list
I say make him sort through boxes of cents and pay back what he stole with pre-'82s.

That'll teach him.
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 Posted 05/20/2012  04:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Peter THOMAS to your friends list
here are the lyrics of a well-known traditional Australian song.
The penultimate line is sage advice: one that I remind my sons as opportunity presents itself.

Botany Bay

Farewell to old England forever
Farewell to my rum culls as well
Farewell to the well known Old Bailey
Where I used for to cut such a swell

Singing Tooral liooral liaddity
Singing Tooral liooral liay
Singing Tooral liooral liaddity
And we're bound for Botany Bay

There's the captain as is our commander
There's the bosun and all the ship's crew
There's the first and the second class passengers
Knows what we poor convicts go through

Taint leaving old England we cares about
Taint cos we mis-spells what we knows
But because all we light fingered gentry
Hops around with a log on our toes

These seven long years I've been serving now
And seven long more have to stay
All for bashing a bloke down our alley
And taking his ticker away

Oh had I the wings of a turtle dove
I'd soar on my pinions so high
Slap bang to the arms of my Polly love
And in her sweet presence I'd die

Now all my young Dookies and Dutchesses
Take warning from what I've to say
Mind all is your own as you toucheses
Or you'll find us in Botany Bay


Whilst it has a convict's point of view, apparently it was written a long time after that era.
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 Posted 05/20/2012  10:17 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biggfredd to your friends list

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As to the restitution angle, this is a sop to people who ache for these poor down-trodden folks with sticky fingers. If the guy could pay it, he would not have been out stealing other people's property and damaging their lives.

Now if they'd make restitution work like skule loans. You pay them, or they get taken from you.
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 Posted 05/20/2012  11:30 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add barryg to your friends list

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I read about these stories every few weeks in the local papers. Every year this kind of crime is becoming more frequent. The worst one I read actually happened to a church a few blocks away from my old house. While renovating the church they removed the bronze church bell and placed in an outlying shed until the renovations were complete. The next weekend the bell was missing. To date the local PD has found no leads, but they believe it was taken for scrap. I have no sympathy for any of these criminals.


Still, it could have been worse.
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 Posted 05/20/2012  12:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jeffrose to your friends list
Here's a church bell story with a happier ending.

http://www.timesonline.com/news/loc...417588d.html
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 Posted 05/20/2012  1:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Silverhawk74 to your friends list
I am still trying to wrap my mind around the logistics involved in stealing an entire bridge....

I imagine that steel was needed for something else (maybe even another bridge in another location crazy enough) as anyone with the ability and means to lift an entire bridge overnight, is either a terrorist group or drug gang perhaps. If they did steal it simply for the scrap value, they would have connections such as a crime boss for example who has a legit store front in the form of you guessed it a scrap refinery....
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 Posted 05/20/2012  1:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Earle42 to your friends list
What I see sad in this is that I personally knew 35 year old guy caught using two school girls (former students whose families were also personal friends of mine). All three of them confessed this had been happening for awhile. He mentally scarred them for life. He got two 10 years sentences; was allowed to serve them simultaneously (who in the world ever thought of such an insane idea?); and was let out after 6 years of good behavior.

And stealing copper gets 15 years? Don't get me wrong - I am all for the 15 years - but I wish the judge who gave this guy his 15 years would have been the one sentencing the creep who was out in 6 years (and most likely is back to his old tricks since it was found out after he was imprisoned that this was not the first time).
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 Posted 05/20/2012  1:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Silverhawk74 to your friends list
Wonder if the idiots who stole the bell got a little nervous an was feeling uneasy when the refinery got a copy of their Id an driver's license on that sell, lol....

Would they have really been that stupid to go in there with that bell an not expect any suspicion? An use their own ID if indeed a refinery does have a protocol for taking a copy of sellers identification an put the item in question on hold for a period until it clears via the police I would think anyway....
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 Posted 05/20/2012  2:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add XavierOfGreen to your friends list
In south somalia they cut off thieves hands so they cant steal again, not that I'm advocating such things...
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 Posted 05/20/2012  5:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ed_B to your friends list

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In south somalia they cut off thieves hands so they cant steal again, not that I'm advocating such things...

That would be typical in a Muslim country. It may be barbaric but it sure removes all doubt about who was a thief and who was not in the years after that.


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And stealing copper gets 15 years? Don't get me wrong - I am all for the 15 years - but I wish the judge who gave this guy his 15 years would have been the one sentencing the creep who was out in 6 years (and most likely is back to his old tricks since it was found out after he was imprisoned that this was not the first time).


Yeah, I know what you mean. Recently in our town a young couple dog-napped a bulldog and held it for ransom. Unfortunately, their animal care skills weren't very good and the dog died. They were caught, tried, and sentenced to 15 years for "excessive animal cruelty". Meanwhile, in another case, a school teacher was tried and convicted for sexually abusing a student. She got 6 years. HUH?

After reading numerous cases of this type and with similar outcomes, it is clear that we live in an absolutely insane world. Thank heavens we have rational people in the PM collecting community!
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