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Couple More Fake Coins For My Collection

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 Posted 11/08/2012  04:02 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Fuzzy317 to your friends list
GR58,
On a recent order, IndianGoldEagle gave me a fake Morgan dollar free (we both new it was fake, so no problem there). Would you like to add it to your fake collection?
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 Posted 11/08/2012  04:12 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GR58 to your friends list
Thanks for the offer Fuzzy. I am sure it would be welcome to my collection.

I would be willing to pay shipping. Think about is and let me know if you want to
part with it.
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 Posted 11/08/2012  04:24 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Fuzzy317 to your friends list
Its sitting in the extra page of my WIP Morgan dollar set. Send me a PM of your address and you can have it. Glad its going to someone that would enjoy it more than I.
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 Posted 11/08/2012  04:53 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GR58 to your friends list
Fuzzy317 PM sent .. thank you
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 Posted 11/08/2012  05:07 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list
It is absolutely necessary to learn how to identify fake coins. One way is to buy them, provided they are sold honestly as fake coins, and share them here with all of us in the CCF, and to show how and why they are fake.

The best way to address and deal with this problem is education.

Most dealers worth their salt have a private 'dark' reference collection, for the education of their employees, so that they may learn to identify any fake coins offered to the business.

That is why I maintain a 'dark' reference collection myself.

You have to beat the fakers at their own game, by using their own products against them.
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 Posted 11/08/2012  11:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinsKelly to your friends list

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Freddy, we have something in the planning stages now. There will be news soon.




Oh goodie! I hope SteveCaruso will be part of it.
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 Posted 11/08/2012  6:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GR58 to your friends list
I saw a fake 1916 D Mercury dime today. I forgot to ask if it was for sale.
I was buying coins .. easy to forget about fake coins.
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 Posted 11/10/2012  10:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bryan1315 to your friends list
that Megatron leg on that Trade dollar is one I have never seen before. I'm sorry that's just the first thing that popped in my mind when I saw it
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 Posted 11/11/2012  6:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CanadianCollector to your friends list
How can you tell the Trade dollar is fake? I don't own any old american stuff, what gives it away?
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 Posted 11/13/2012  03:51 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Nic to your friends list
That 1876S Trade dollar really looks good!

what was the give away it was fake?
diameter? weight? overall apearance? lettering? pinholes? indentations?....

really curious..thanks
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 Posted 11/13/2012  09:01 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GR58 to your friends list

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How can you tell the Trade dollar is fake? I don't own any old american stuff, what gives it away?


In hand, this coin does not look quite right, because of
a cast appearance instead of a struck coin.

It is 1.2 grams light, enough to make you start to worry on a Trade dollar

Also there are a couple spots, as Bryan1315 posted the Eagles left leg looks like something Megatron would have,
and there is a spot right above "God" in In god we trust
that I think shows it was a cast coin.

When looking at raw Trade dollars, a collector should be looking more for signs of it being a fake coin then any other series.
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 Posted 11/14/2012  05:54 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Nic to your friends list
thanks GR58.. great info! specially on the eagle's foot!
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 Posted 11/14/2012  9:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MacCoins to your friends list
I was thinking about counterfeiting coins. I would assume the person making the coins would make sure

1. The impression looked appropriate
2. The diameter of the coin was close
3. The weight was close

Everyone would know if the image of a coin was incorrect. Secondly, if you made a quarter the size of a nickel that would be obvious so the counterfeiter would ensure the diameter was nearly correct. Now comes the tricky part the weight. I do believe it would be very difficult to ensure the weight was correct. I think it would be relatively easy to spot a fake by merely weighing the coin.

Please correct me if I am wrong.
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 Posted 11/22/2012  10:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Nic to your friends list

the effort and time + planning to arrive to a very nice replica (fake) just doesn't justify the returns.

after all, the ones doing it are just after a quick buck. So with some study on the deatils of a coin, more so its weight, the real can be separated from the fake
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 Posted 11/22/2012  11:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BLadd to your friends list
bobby131313, I look forward to what CCF may have in store for us on counterfeit coins. I, like GR58 have started collecting them too. I know they're fake when I buy them, and for just a few bucks, I may be able to learn from them.
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