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1995-D LMC Trail Die

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 Posted 11/20/2012  7:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list
SsuperDdave-I feel honored that you choose mine to weigh in on.But there are many nicer ones then this on the trail die site,in fact there is one coin that has trails going in four different directions,1988-D-1DER-004T http://traildies.com/1988D-1DER.html

Buddy-Thanks much.

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 Posted 11/20/2012  7:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DrDon to your friends list
Nice find.

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willy13-There are trails on the bottom left of the steps and on one cent also USOA,they just didn't show up in the pic.

I can see trails "on the bottom left of the seps" in the photo.
I also see a trail on the second "T" of "STATE",top left of cross bar.
There are trails off the bottom of the "AMER"
I a curious about the other "lines" to the left of those letters.
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 Posted 11/20/2012  8:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list

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But there are many nicer ones then this on the trail die site,in fact there is one coin that has trails going in four different directions,1988-D-1DER-004T http://traildies.com/1988D-1DER.html


Quite frankly, that one kind of illustrates my argument. The Trail Die images on that page are significant, but at least one illustration (second set down, on the left) offers a plain example of PMD as a "die marker." And the theoretical explanation of a "trail die" does not intuitively describe a process which could also result in a "wavy step," yet both are known phenomena.

Please, people. Offer something more academically-defensible for what's going on here. This deserves far more rigorous research than has yet been offered.
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 Posted 11/21/2012  04:56 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list
DrDon-
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I a curious about the other "lines" to the left of those letters
I don't know what you mean? Would you go in to more detail please? Thanks for looking.
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 Posted 11/21/2012  05:12 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add daniels to your friends list
john you haven't gotten snow yet come to Alaska its like -2 and snow on the ground for 6 months lol nice coin by the way I haven't found a trail die yet someday I will
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 Posted 11/21/2012  05:21 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list
daniels-I got a dusting where I am at and it's only gotten down to the 20's at night so far but... it's-a-commin' I am sure you will find some trail dies, I have found around 350 so far.Good luck on your move,it will be warmer.
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 Posted 11/21/2012  10:49 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list
Just got a reply from BJ Neff and wanted to let you all read it:
Hi John,
Since I no longer write comments in Coin Community Forum, it would be hard to answer SsuperDdavid's questions. However, if he does contact me and wants to discuss this die anomaly, I would be more than happy to do so.
I can say that during the 9 years that I have been studying trails, no other explanation has been put forth that can explain trails. James Wiles still remains uncommitted to what trails are, while John Wexler and I both agree that this phenomena is die related. The only separation between John and myself is he refers to them as doubled dies, while I do not think they are such. Closely related to a doubled die, but different in the nature of how they are formed. Bob Piazza, Mike Diamond and Jason Cuvelier believe that we are on the right path concerning the formation of these lines.
As for the 1921-S Morgans; I respect the theory that VAM world has put forth concerning the lines from the denticles. However, I disagree with that conclusion. If one were to highly magnify the lines seen, especially on the VAM-1L, it would be seen that they are too sharp (narrow) to be made by metal flow. If you take away metal flow as the creator of these lines, what is left. Could they have been created during hubbing? That is what I think.
To add to this, the Morgans are not the oldest trail die. We have listed on site am 1869 Uruguay 4 centavos coin with trails on the obverse.
John, if you want to post this on Coin Community Form please do. And I will be happy to answer all questions through or sites "Contact Us Form".
May you and your family have a great Thanksgiving.

Regards,
BJ

PS - That is a nice trail die (1995-D Lincoln Cent) and if you can, send it down so I can get it ion site.

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 Posted 11/21/2012  3:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add daniels to your friends list
wow that's some good information and seems like he is being very honest on everything send it in and keep us posted maybe your coin will go down in history
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 Posted 11/21/2012  3:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add daniels to your friends list
oh yeah that spike that comes off the R in pluribus is cool looking good for a die identifier
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 Posted 11/21/2012  6:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list
I will be sending it out on Friday and will update when I get it back.
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 Posted 11/21/2012  7:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chzman to your friends list
Nice find!
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Read the entire thread ... appreciate the discussion on the metallurgical reasons for these coins ...

That will not be sorted here ... nice find I say.

David

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 Posted 11/22/2012  10:23 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DrDon to your friends list

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I am curious about the other "lines" to the left of those letters
I don't know what you mean? Would you go in to more detail please? Thanks for looking.
John1


1995-D-LMC-Trail-Die

inside the red box.
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 Posted 11/22/2012  3:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list
I think those are just dings.
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 Posted 11/22/2012  9:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chzman to your friends list
nice find John, this will make the cut for sure.
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