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New Member
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That last one has some serious die clashing on the obverse, very nice.
Brazil has a tremendous amount of mineral wealth, including gold and diamonds, but never had much silver production. Primarily, though, overstriking was used as a government financing tool. The market rate of the 8 reales was about 750-800 reis, they were purchased on the market and then overstruck and used by the government at a value of 960 reis.
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France
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Yes, this one background is a mix of the previous coin and die clash :) Very interesting to check, although I never figured out the date of the host coin.
(you can zoom the picture, I uploaded the hi-res ones)
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United States
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Yeah, that date will be hard to make out, with both the effects of the overstrike and the clashing. It's clearly a CAROLUS IIII at least.
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Hello 960Coins, you sound like an expert of those Brazilian overstrike coins. I find it very difficult to work out the year of the mother coin and most of the time, I also find it is not easy to rule out what the mother coin belongs to. Two more enlarged pictures for the coin 1824 to see:   If anyone like more pictures, just tell me to do so. There is a question for you to answer, 960Coins, I know the coin was an overstrike from a Spanish Mexican 8R (you said this is a "FERDIN VII portrait 8 reales"), but do you think the coin had been re-edged (or edge re-minted) before or after it was struck? That is, mother coin is Spanish Mexican while the edge is Brazilian. Do you agree? P.S. Can you tell me how to upload a high resolution photos like yours, MathieuMa? |
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France
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wonghinghi : I just host the pictures on my own place ... it's the only way.
The edge you just posted is excellent, we can see for sure the newly applied edge, and the previous one.
Very interesting, I was not aware of this process ! (well, I didn't saw many of those - as I don't collect this type)
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New Member
United States
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I'd say quite confidently that the host coin for the 1824-R is an 1813 FERDIN VII, possibly Mexico City minted (not confident, about that from the pictures). You can clearly see the 813 of the date in that picture you posted. In the Brazilian legend "ET.PERP.BRAS" the 3 is visible under the R of PERP, the 1 under the last P of PERP, the 8 under the B of BRAS.
The edge has been re-milled with the Brazilian design, that very often was not successfully applied.
On the last coin, the 1819-R, I can't see enough to make anything out except for a few letters that don't help reveal the host identity.
Edited by 960Coins
12/05/2012 10:28 am
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New Member
United States
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The 1819-R could be a Lima mint issue, if I had to guess from that one picture. The host mintmark is directly under the N of NATA, looks like it might just be the Lima mark.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Great thread, these coins are so interesting. Here is one from my collection with a very clear host coin.   |
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jfransch : amazing ! The best I've ever seen, the host is so visible, while the 960 reis is also well struck.
Simply superb, and a superb patina :)
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Hong Kong
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I confirm the host coin of 1824 was a Ferdin.VII 1813.
Yes, the 1818 960 Reis is the best overstrike to see for me.
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New Member
United States
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This is one of my favorites in my personal collection, as the clearly-visible host details don't disturb any of the 960 elements:  |
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Pillar of the Community
Hong Kong
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Another wonderful coin, 1817. I like it. I also want to have a better overstrike pieces.
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United States
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Here is another with a really clear 1806 Carlos IIII 8 Reales from Santiago as the host coin   |
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United States
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Nice, no mistaking that Santiago mintmark.
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