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 Posted 12/03/2012  07:46 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinsKelly to your friends list


Good one!
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 Posted 12/03/2012  08:02 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add blackjack to your friends list
You made some nice purchases, ExoGuy. I'd love to see the Civil War tokens.
Funny thing about this post is that I purchased an 1885-O Morgan on Friday.
PCGS, MS64, $80.00 at my local coin shop.
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 Posted 12/03/2012  11:30 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ThisIsFun to your friends list
Newbie question. I'm confused about prices, PCGS charts, etc, undoubtedly complicated by my lack of knowledge of Morgan grading.

When I go the the PCGS charts and look for the 1885-O in MS64, three variations are present, with a range for each. The range for the 1885-O in MS64 is $92-$450.

OK, I get that the coin being sold must be the lowest of these and that the TV customer is paying for his/her ignorance.

On the other end of the spectrum, blackjack paid $80 for the 'same' coin last week. @Blackjack, which variety did you buy? Where does it fit on the PCGS table?

My question is who, if anyone, ever pays the prices listed on PCGS? Is there some average discount that knowledgeable buyers typically get? I'm sure it's a complicated answer and likely varies depending on type of coin, whether just one coin is being purchased, etc.

I appreciate any enlightenment on the pricing/purchasing issue, especially as it related to selling. I'm helping to sort and estimate the value of my family's jumbled collection because Mom wants to sell.
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 Posted 12/03/2012  1:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tpg22 to your friends list
The guide does not take the actual coin into account. I just paid more than the guide price for an MS67 1945 CAC certified Walking Liberty half. The coin is the best I have ever seen for this year and mint mark. In some cases people think they got a steal because they pay under guide prices. Maybe the coin is boderline and doesn't deserve what the guide shows. Maybe they over paid for a lesser coin. Some coins at the top of the grade should and do sell for more. In the end it is what you feel you should pay. I have had two almost identical Morgans in my hand both graded MS64. One worth a lot more then the other to me and so I pay more. Just my thoughts on the subject.
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 Posted 12/03/2012  1:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add drstrange1988 to your friends list
Its so purty and shiny, I must have 4 of them.
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 Posted 12/03/2012  1:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jaobler to your friends list

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When I go the the PCGS charts and look for the 1885-O in MS64, three variations are present, with a range for each.


The ranges are for coins with normal mint-state surface (MS), proof-like reflective surface (PL), and deep-mirror reflective surface (DMPL). PL and DMPL coins were struck from freshly-polished dies and are prized by many collectors. Reflective quality is measured by using the coin as a mirror to read text at a distance from the coin surface. If you can read the letters at 4" distance the coin qualifies as PL. If you can read letters 8" away it's DMPL. Basically, the deeper the mirrors, the higher the price.

A true deep-mirror Morgan dollar is a beautiful thing and is usually priced accordingly.
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 Posted 12/03/2012  10:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add henryjamesbuttons to your friends list
Of course their is a price for convenience, when I stop at the gas station for a gallon of milk I'm well aware I will pay 50 cents or so more. But over a hundred dollars above market value is not a price for convience its predatory.
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 Posted 12/04/2012  09:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Windycity to your friends list
Unfortunately people watch the television shows and buy such over-priced items everyday. I suppose the good news is it's at least a MS64 Morgan dollar that might have a value at that level some day vs. the modern clad coinage being hyped are rare and valuable. Never buy from a television show!
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 Posted 12/04/2012  11:05 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bryan1315 to your friends list
to bad that's a stock picture because the coin in the picture looks a lot better than the grade. These types of shows always have prayed on the uneducated or elderly persons that do not know what the coins are actually worth or have a way around know how to use the internet to find coins. They put the coins in fancy packaging (about just like the US Mint does to sell their products) and call them rare with presentation case and they make a fortune doing so. Companies have done this type of thing for years and it used to be in the back of magazines you would see it, now they have switched to the airways to reach a broader audience. Usually the elderly believe everything that is said on these types of shows because in their generation most people didn't try to get over on others especially if they were on a television show or commercial. Sure the snake oil salesmen have been around for centuries but they were few and far between and the customers had to be in the same area to get taken by them. With these tv shows they can reach millions of people sitting in their own homes where they seem to feel the safest
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 Posted 12/04/2012  10:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add henryjamesbuttons to your friends list
youre right on all points bryan..especially the stock/altered? photo..I think they put a PR coin in an MS 64 slab for that picture now that I look at closer! it just gets worse!
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 Posted 12/05/2012  04:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add monkeyman67 to your friends list
I was watching this the other night on HSN. It is a total ripoff. They advertise proof sets and show all deep cameo coins. You know you aren't getting a single cameo coin. The prices are really high too. They sell a ton of this stuff though. I always check the prices on ebay just to see the how the pricing is. It's never even close. I can understand how people get taken in though..
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 Posted 12/05/2012  3:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bryan1315 to your friends list

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I can understand how people get taken in though..

Yes they hire some of the best salesmen I have ever seen. They can just about make an experienced buyer think they are getting the deal of the century when in fact they are paying 3x what they should be
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 Posted 12/05/2012  5:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinstar to your friends list
rule #2

never buy from TV
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 Posted 12/05/2012  6:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add smokeriderdon to your friends list
And the whole preying on the elderly thing. Over stated bogeyman stuff IMO. If someone over the age of...wait, just what age is it that a person can no longer be held accountable for their own actions and everyone begins preying on them since they are no longer capable of logical thought?...lets say 65 for grins, chooses to pay too much for something the seller is automatically some scumbag piece of junk? If no one over that age purchased anything from them then they would be OK? No longer predators?

Yes, they are grossly over priced. But if you buy an MS64 Morgan from NGC, that is exactly what you get. If you buy a set of proof quarters, that is exactly what you get (and YES, they do send beautiful DC proof coins exactly as shown). They may exaggerate but I have never once heard them lie about the coins.

They offer their merchandise at their prices. People either buy it or not. Nothing nefarious or wrong with that.
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All the sample coins are really nice cameos. I wonder how many of the coins they ship are like that. Price isn't really that far off the mark for a nice cameo PL example, but they don't guarantee anything but the grade. If I got to pick the best one from a big stack I'd probably go for it.
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