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Your Thoughts: Buying War Nickel Set For $270

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 Posted 01/20/2013  11:32 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add edgman to your friends list
blackjack

The big item here is you seem to want them for an investment purpose which I dont think is a good idea.

First of all MS65 is pretty common. There are numerous MS66 and 67's. Look on collectorscorner.com and you can see how many is for sale in those grades. For investment purposes people tend to buy "Registry Coins", which tends to be the highest grade available. In your case, MS67 is higher, MS66 is higher, MS65FS is higher and then does it carry a CAC label which makes it higher, so in reality you would have basically a fourth rate set which is not investment quality. Once you said you didn't know about the FS grade I sort of knew you shouldn't be investing with this choice. Hope I'm not insulting you with my opinions as they are mine only. Do you know about CAC labels on slabbed coins? Investors will also want to know if they are CAC approved. Just another money maker but thats what they look for.

Along the other way as a "Collector" I would be running to the coin store with a smile on my face, putting a glass on them to check the strikes and if they are good they would be in my collection as I think its a real good price. Next thing would be to post an image up on the Forum so the guys and gals can admire and envy not having them.

Let us know how you make out.

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 Posted 01/20/2013  1:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add commems to your friends list
I'd take a step-by-step approach here and ask myself a few questions.

1) Do I have an interest in collecting the coins? (Note: I didn't say "investing" in the coins.)

If Yes,

2) Are the coins nice, above average examples that I personally find attractive and will enjoy owning?

If Yes,

3) Is the price being asked for the coins fair?

If Yes,

4) Can I afford to buy the coins?

If Yes,

5) Can I easily afford higher grade examples of the same coins?

If you answered "No" to any of the first four questions, I wouldn't buy the set. If you answered "Yes" to all of the questions, including #5, I would pass of the set and wait until you come across coins of a higher grade. But, if you answered "Yes" to the first four questions and "No" to the last, I would go forward with the purchase.

I always recommend buying coins in which you are interested in the highest grade that you can afford. In this case, it appears that you've come across a very nice set of coins that you have an interest in and find attractive. It also appears that it is being offered at a fair price. Yes, there are higher grade sets available in the marketplace, but "higher grade" doesn't mean you will automatically enjoy them any more than the MS-65 set you are considering. It does mean, however, that you will need to spend noticeably more to acquire them.

If the coins are as nice as you say, I am confident that you will be able to find another buyer for them in the future at a fair selling price. Even if it's the same price you paid for them, you will have gotten years of enjoyment and pride of ownership out of the set â€" not a bad return on investment if you ask me. If you keep them for a time, however, it's likely you'll see at least a small profit.

Good luck with your decision!

BTW: With no disrespect intended, I disagree that a nice, attractive PCGS MS-65 set, even without "Full Step" designation, should be considered a "fourth rate" set.



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 Posted 01/20/2013  1:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mailman28 to your friends list
I agree point for point with Commems excellent post. Buy them if You like them. A higher graded set will definately cost you a lot more but may not have a lot more eye appeal. I would have bought them already, just saying.
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 Posted 01/20/2013  2:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Earle42 to your friends list
One other thing to consider...
Will the future bring wave of collectors who will be more interested in the actual coins or the "packaging?" Since the FS designations are rare, there are only so many to go around. So this set may appreciate even w/out the FS designation. And, like the TPG's used to be "accepted" as expertly done and, therefore, the slabs were considered correct/authoritative grades.

When the TPGs first started out, it was a joke to the local collectors as only a money making scheme. We used to joke (knowing it could never happen - oops) that eventually someone would be able to "sucker" people into paying money to verify the TPGs' work. I m not trying to make waves here, I am just stating fact of how things used o be. Will there be a future CAC verification system? Will people still put the same importance on the slab/CAC system? I know from this forum that slabs are anything but important to collectors in other countries. Will this become the opinion in the US?

If you like them, buy them! Then if you want, start putting together a FS designation set. When you have it the FS set, sell this original one. Its obvious from this thread that a lot of people like these sets (FS or not) and would buy them from a collector's viewpoint - and this viewpoint will probably not change with time.
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 Posted 01/20/2013  2:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add edgman to your friends list
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You will notice that I said as an "investment only" would they be rated as a fourth place set. There cant be any argument that MS67, MS66, FS and CAC are not higher rated sets. The set he is looking at is great and may bring a small profit when sold but I doubt if it will bring a high investment return such as some form of bullion. I think he may be a collector at heart because he mentions how beautiful the set is.
As a collector see what I said. They are highly collectible coins for collectors. Have a set myself but am constantly upgrading to FS.

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 Posted 01/21/2013  11:15 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add blackjack to your friends list
This is very exciting and I am overwhelmed with the supportive and caring responses I have received, most recently from commems, edgman, Mailman28, and Earle42.
[C]ommems, your post stands as a model for this and all future collecting endeavors. It is an enormous help. Funny, as I first read through your post, I answered your questions just as I should have in order to make this purchase. And question number five was so important.
From the moment I decided to purchase this short set, I knew that MS65 was my target grade and that $270.00 was about the limit I was going to pay for it.
I never intended to buy these coins with the intention of turning them over for a profit. I intend to keep them, as I intend to do with all of my numismatic purchases. I am building a collection of coins that I love, primarily classic coins. I think that classic U.S. coinage is art that represents our great heritage and that should be admired, collected, and shared. It might sound odd that I consider this coinage to be fine art, but I do. It gives me great joy.
Of course, no one wants to buy something that will not appreciate to some degree. Yes, enjoying this set, having pride in ownership, and to someday see a return on it is what I am hoping for, and well stated.
Since this set is MS65, I am assuming that also means full strike, but I will see. I am hoping to get to the coin shop today to have another look at them.
You know, the CAC-sticker craze offends me. I think that is a way to bleed more dollars from the collecting community. PCGS affirmation of a coin's authenticity and grade is enough for me.
I will keep you posted and, again, you have no idea how grateful I am for your help. Thank you.
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01/21/2013 11:23 am
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 Posted 01/21/2013  11:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add edgman to your friends list
Blackjack

The CAC sticker offends me to. I also think its just another money grubbing idea too. IF PCGS is the best why do we need someone to check them. Who will check CAC? That will bring on another level of money grubbing. I also think the FS designation by PCGS was another money making idea. I and most of my coin collecting community members here will not buy CAC stickered PCGS coins. They take the serial numbers and call PCGS and ask them why collectors don't feel PCGS is good enough that they require someone to check them. A lot of our Forum members here do nothing but buy CAC sticked coins so we will be getting some response to mine and our opinions about CAC here. Glad to hear your opinions about keeping the set if you buy it.

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 Posted 01/21/2013  12:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add blackjack to your friends list
Thanks, edgman, you've been a real friend here. And I value you input and your opinions.
Right, CAC stickers are a rip-off. As you say, what's next? And, yes, I think that and the FS designation is a way for grading companies to make double and triple fees on the same coins.
Glad to know you.
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 Posted 01/21/2013  2:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add blackjack to your friends list
Update: I paid a visit to my coin shop and looked at the short set again. The coins are beautiful, but do not have full steps. My dealer and I looked at Coin World listed prices for both MS65 and MS65 with full steps. The latter retails for about $1,000.00, maybe more. That price is well beyond me. I am going to purchase the set I intended to and we will see what the future brings. In any event, I am buying coins I want to own; they are fine examples; and they priced fairly, at a cost I can live with. I should do this tomorrow and, hopefully, the 2009 mint sets I ordered--for the commemorative Lincoln cents--will also be ready.
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 Posted 01/21/2013  3:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mailman28 to your friends list
I am glad to hear you decided to pick this set up. I am in the process of getting my own War Nickel set together (MS 66) and I am not concerned 1 bit about full steps or not.
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 Posted 01/21/2013  5:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add blackjack to your friends list
Thanks, mailman. I'm happy about this, though, of course, who doesn't think about even nicer coins. I've been thinking today about these. I can always upgrade one coin at a time, though my goal would probably be to go MS66, as you are, regardless of the step count. I was adding up the cost of an MS65 FS set, per Numismedia, and that would cost over $900.00 more than I am spending. Plan to pick up the set tomorrow. As soon as I can borrow a good camera, I will post pics. Thanks for everything. Good luck with your set. They are beauties.
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 Posted 01/21/2013  8:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add upstate to your friends list
I've been monitoring this thread and am very happy (for you) that your getting this set.
I love the look of MS War Nickels and consider them very unique, amazing how nice the MS silver nick's
are compared to circulated coins, not to mention how nice the 40 percenters are compared even to the nickel coins.
I found it very interesting how Full steps,64 vs 65 vs 66, and cac came into the conversation and became an issue.
I think all that is a bunch of crap, for the most part, almost entirely.
Buy what you like, enjoy what you have and don't worry about what some grader thinks about it.
I bought some nice War Nickels once and one was MS with full steps, the only reason I was happy was because I could sell it to someone who needs a microscope to find out the coin is worth stupid money. One of the few coins I have sold.
Just my 2 cents
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 Posted 01/22/2013  06:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add blackjack to your friends list
Thanks, upstate, for posting. It is interesting how so many issues came into this discussion. I'm glad they did. I need to figure these things out for myself. The grading and concerns about what others might want in the future confuses the issue of what I, the collector, like and want to own. But I have to confess that those things have been on my mind. I tend to worry too much about these issues.
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 Posted 01/22/2013  3:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add blackjack to your friends list
I pulled the trigger. I now own a short set of War Nickels, PCGS, MS65. I went to the coin shop this morning, told my guy I needed more time to think this over, asked to look at the Jeffersons again, and I just couldn't walk away fom them. All other considerations aside, I'm attached to this set and I'm as happy as can be. I will post pics in a day or two. Thank you everyone for helping me. I learned a lot from this post. I am so pleased that I asked for your help.
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 Posted 01/28/2013  11:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add blackjack to your friends list
Now that I have the short set, I'm thinking of picking up the 1943/2-P over date. Any thoughts on what I should pay for a PCGS MS65 one. I might just go on and collect the whole series! I like the coin a lot.
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