Another Dollar Coin Rant!!

Another thing, regarding weight and transportation...

Getting rid of the cent and nickel will solve that problem.

he makes a good point.



true but by the time this happens we will all be ten feet under anyways! except for any teenager who might be in ccf...

These discussions are always fun.

On a related topic, NPR spent quite a bit of time today on talking with people about getting rid of the cent. Seems like that discussion is heating up.

If nothing is done to get dollar coins circulating within the next couple of years the mint might as well stop minting them and just recycle whats in vaults. Its damned silly producing coins nobody wants to use. But thats the Feds fault they won't remove the green back.

@Jbuck
I know we will never agree - but just as much as you put out the one side of the issue I can balance the other side so a fair representation is made

Also, issues like this are never worth friendships or me getting in a tizzy over. So please never think I am. This is all in the fun of debate and something to do while sitting in front of the computer (want discuss Mac and PC also ?).

Lack of ability of the written word to convey actual attitudes of the author may sometimes make people think I am upset or something. But I am not - it is a very RARE thing - ask any of my former students/kids/wife!

So right back at you




Actually, for someone who has been back and forth across the border, and in the culture, most of his life, I decided in another thread of this same issue to ask the Canadians about the weight issue to try to allow people who have no first-hand, extensive experience (not a one time visit) with this to understand the facts as they sit. As evidenced by their reply, the Canadians did see weight as an issue when all this started, but now are now into a generation who does not remember anh other way of life , and so are not complaining over a loss of something they never knew. Yet a lot of them currently throw the Loonies and Toonies into change jars and don't carry them with them b/c they don't want pockets full of change!

The fact that you are smart enough to come up with a solution to not have a full pocket of coins with you - by using $2.00 bills - does not erase the fact that weight is an issue. Your solution is a smart one that COULD help the weight issue, but how many people on the street are actually going to want to have to think about it? Hence the Canadians' change cups/jars to be cashed in and cash them in after awhile are commonly filled with Loonies/Toonies.

In fact one Canadian once told me that not wanting to carry the large amount of Loonies/Toonies around helps him to save more money than before they eliminated the bills since his change jar is now full of larger denomination coins. So maybe that's a plug for your side of the fence?

A solution has to be adopted and used (what are the chances?) in order for the legitimacy of the problem to be erased. We can come up with all sorts of scenarios to fix our current national debt - but until we can actually get one implemented, we cannot say the problem is not a legit one.

Experience also is the best teacher. I've lived it and am old enough to *remember* both sides of the issue very well. I first learned about the problem through experience of hearing Canadians, back when the Loonie started, complaining about it and thinking it was foolish for us to follow in their tracks when the Presidential dollar series was started.

I will take experience over hypothesis any day.

Polymer anyone?

Aaahh Pepsi... The Nectar of the gods! No wonder we get along!




Bad choice of words in my initial post. The term "seeing" was not meant as a hypothetical perception. It was meantt as "the day to day lives were being influenced by the actual fact of missing the smaller bills because of the large amount of change they were now having to carry around." This was an ascutal part of society and talked about much like they currently are talking about their penny being eliminated (even on CCF). If 30 years from now we want to ignore the current discussions they are having about the penny and how it has impacted their day to day lives, then we will be in the same boat we currently are if we think we can dismiss the issue that when the Loonie was introduced, people were living/talking/discussing/experiencing a dislike over them b/c of having to have these coins weigh down their pockets vs being able to have light paper in their wallets.

And again - a possibility of avoiding can be proposed, but this does eliminate the fact that the problem exists. in fact, the very idea that something can be done to avoid it indicates a problem for which a solution is being proposed!




I agree, hence my attention earlier to the emotional term "rant."

And non-thinking is something we can expect to keep getting worse and worse. Right now on CCF the Canadians have a thread about their experiences with transactions now that the penny is gone. Most of the people in that thread say they miss the penny. They are stating a problem is that cashiers do not know how to round and therefore cannot give proper change. Many of the posts are people expressing a dislike for the elimination - in one way or another.

But as long as the current people control our dumbed down system of education (as they have for a loooong time now and look what the result is), things will only get worse.

What other nation has leaders that sell F16s to countries that have used out own weapons against us - and yet the public outcry is almost nil? Think? I ahve heard the term... what does it mean?





You mean like this one I already did?:
https://goccf.com/t/112063#953274



BTW jbuck, something very important must be adhered to if results of a poll are to be considered accurate. neutrality. The human mind is one which is VERY susceptible to peer pressure and this knowledge has been noted a long time (eg. "laugh tracks" in old TV shows).

The way you word your inquiry to our Northern neighbors shows your position very strongly. Anyone answering your poll has no problem seeing which side of the fence you are on as soon as they start reading.

Its not quite, but similar to the old joke of asking a question, "Hey George, have you stopped beating your wife yet?" The presupposition planted in the initial wording will , when dealing with humans, have an effect on the outcome. Now on Vulcan it would be OK!

You also need to make sure you solicit people who knew what it was like before and after the change. Anyone can form an opinion but actual experience makes for factual data collection.

The Government spends plenty of money on wasteful studies and grants to special interest groups. Nothing wrong with the dollar coins and the dollar bill. When they stop making the dollar bill maybe the dollar coin will be used more. But right now collectors are in Hog Heaven with all the new choices that are available to collect! Keep em coming Uncle Sam.

You. Lucky. Dog.

I alternate between Pepsi (HFCS), Pepsi Throwback (beet sugar), and Pepsi Next (HFCS and artificial sweeteners for 60% fewer calories). I will drink Diet Pepsi and Pepsi Max (zero calorie) if I have to, but prefer not to.

I do limit myself to one Pepsi per day. Moderation in all things.


I have no problem with that option. The issue, as I see it, is where the dollar coin has one opponent (the paper lobby), a polymer note would have at least two (the paper lobby and the US Mint, which wants the dollar coin seigniorage).

That being said, I would like to see a polymer lobby get some press.