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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I can see some tooling but not as much as I have seen on some Sestertii from Europe. The legend looks fairly genuine ie real........ I almost hate to say it but ....... It looks like Alexander Severus in drag !!
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 United States
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FV, it's interesting that you say it looks like Severus Alexande. My first impression was that the face looked male, but the hair is surely female. If Warren is correct than this coin has been altered to a point where ID is going to be impossible. I think at this point the obverse legend is the only thing that is going to give us some indication who it is. Malamute67 if you can make out the letters please post them.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Most of the Empresses of the 2nd & 3rd Centuries were a rather 'frightening' looking ! The standards of feminine beauty seem to have taken a turn for the worse ..... things were tough all over.
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United States
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The more I look at this one the more certain I am that someone has taken an Alexander Sev and made him into a 'girlie man'. The temple on the reverse really looks like it was hand 'drawn' with a dremel tool. Probably antiqued like an old bookcase with 3 layers of different colored paint and then hand rubbed. My question is ...... who is selling it ? It looks like a dealers photo.
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Valued Member
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CRAZY! That is what you can think .... I bought that coin directly to the seller,that long ago I know. I have identified it, and the conclusion is that not exists! There are no references on that empress,then is false and very well made,or is an unknown coin..... That empress is FABIA ORESTILLA,Wife of GORDIANUS I.There are no known coins,and history is not clear about his life... http://fabpedigree.com/s017/f415161.htmLegend on coin is now easy,her name is complet at left!! FABIA ORESTILLA.... |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I admit that yes that is what it appears to say FABIA ORESTILLA. But why does the reverse say AVG when the varieties of Gordian I & II all appear to have the AVGG. I can't remember ever seeing PAX seated inside a temple either. The only reference on Google is on Wiki which seems to be sceptical that 'she' even existed. The facial features of Alexander Severus and Gordian I are remarkably similar too. But Gordian was in his eighties. It seems unlikely to me thay he would have associated a wife in a 'reign' that lasted a few weeks. I am not convinced.
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Spain
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The doubts,are reasonable,but who and how someone can clarify one thing on which there is nothing to compare.The legend of the currency, it is not amended,the patina seems genuine, and the wear is not an artificial invention,or "at least so it seems.This is a incomparable currency,therefore already say that it is a fake,or unknown ....
There are so many pages that are skeptical of its existence,as others by the claim,what nobody knows is if she had a currency .Nor is it so rare to want a currency of your wife .... PERTINAX had almost 70 and made coins with his wife TITIANA,Didius Julianus more than 60 and made his wife and his daughter,and are genuine rarities!
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03/17/2013 08:09 am
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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The biggest problem is that the coin has been 'tooled'. I started out as a 'believer' in the genuine character of the coin but still could see some 'tooling'. Now that I am sure that I am looking at the profile of either Alexander or Gordian I the tooling 'concerns' me. Combined with the fact that apparently this 'wife' is mentioned nowhere but the Historia Augusta despite claiming descent from Antoninus Pius makes me question it even more. I would accept the opinion of either David Sear or the British Museum ....... but not someone who sells coins for a living. "Things are tough all over"
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United States
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I have never heard of this person or seem any reference to her. If the coin is real than your probably have the only example of one. However there seems to be a red flags or two, the coin appears tooled, the facial features looks male, etc... I would not be certain it's real until it has been checked by experts. I think the British Museum would be the place to have that done.
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Pillar of the Community
Bulgaria
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I think that is Aquila Severa, 2nd wife of Elagabalus, AE28,Tyre, IVL AQVILIA SEVERA AVG Diademed and draped bust right. TYRIORVM Asarte crowning trophy, and being crowned by Nike standing on pillar behind, all inside hexastyle temple, altar below. F, grainy brown tone.  |
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Valued Member
Spain
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If there is a possibility to be a male....Who has that reverse on his coins and has a face how that?
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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That is the point. What emperor of this period has PAX facing enthroned inside of a temple ? What bronze coin of Gordian I or II has AVG instead of AVGG on the reverse ? The AVG thing makes me think it is an altered Alexander. The X in PAX I originally took to be an R. The more I look at it I think it is an R ..... as in P M TR P. The R looks altered as the X used at this time usually resembles a German 'teutonic' style cross with flared tips.
I don't want to give you offence. I hear what you are 'selling' ...... But I am not 'buying' (no sale)
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United States
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With a coin that has the potential to be extremely rare it would be worth your while to get it certified.
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Valued Member
Spain
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I have sent an e-mail to the British Museum with these images,and they have them already at The department of medals and coins to study and have an answer
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Moderator
United States
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Good luck, I hope it turns out to be real.
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