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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I think it is time to pick some up.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
10982 Posts |
With The Fed buying U.S. Gov't debt at 2%, equity markets will continue their rise.
When the Fed stops buying U.S. debt? Watch out.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
919 Posts |
Between $25 and $35 I buy BU Peace dollars, Morgan dollars, Proof/Mints sets from 59-64 and XF Walking Liberty halves. Those have changed very little with the drop in silver. If we get close to $20 an oz I will be a buyer of ASE's, Maples and Pandas. We are seeing panic selling now and that is usually a good time to buy. The bad economy is the only thing holding me back right now. The bad jobs number today is just the beginning. The Fed is buying One Trillion Dollars of debt a year. That prop can't last forever.
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Valued Member
United States
329 Posts |
Neither gold or silver is cheap right now historically. But I would favor gold in a crisis over silver. Silver is much dicier. Either would be a better bet in a year from now then stocks IMO.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1391 Posts |
"America can't collapse--we're as powerful as ancient Rome!" --Homer Simpson.
That being said, I'm not pouring all my money into silver as some people are. I just heard about a friend of a friend last night, he has nothing in the bank, stocks or retirement. He has pulled everything out and put it into PM. That seems a little drastic to me. I would much rather have things split up into different areas.
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
2019 Posts |
Well according to this guy silver is about to take off....although it is an advert from Wealth Daily of some sort, I didn't sign up for the "free" report.  "quote" What you can expect in 2013. For starters, silver prices are going to skyrocket. And early investors preparing now for the coming surge could reap an absolute fortune. I don't say that lightly, either. The truth is, at our current rate of consumption, we'll completely run out of silver within the next eight years. And it's guaranteed to send prices in excess of $150 an ounce â€" very soon! A few of the factors at play include: Obama's second term and the coming 2013 fiscal cliff, when taxpayers will face an extra $500 billion in tax hikes. Central banks are starting to load their safes with physical precious metals, both silver and gold. Sales of silver are drastically outpacing sales of gold, in both private and institutional holdings, leading to a much more rapid surge in spot prices. And to top it off, silver mining companies across the globe have been struggling to find enough silver to meet the industrial demand side of the equation. http://www.wealthdaily.com/aqx_p/42...ZFMgodRQ0Amw
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Pillar of the Community
United States
2168 Posts |
Although I like silver, I have read similar articles over the past 2-3 years. You have to buy it and just be glad to have a store of value. Can't worry too much about the price and just hold on for a long time investment.
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Bedrock of the Community
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Quote: I would much rather have things split up into different areas. This is the best advice anyone can be given. When you put all your eggs in one basket youre asking for trouble if youre wrong. When you hedge your bets in multiple areas if one fails you still have the others. Unless youre really bad at investing its unlikely you will fail on all fronts
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Valued Member
United States
329 Posts |
I doubt CBs will be buying silver. Although I think silver will at some point outperfom gold, you better not blink or you will miss it.
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Valued Member
United States
329 Posts |
"This is the best advice anyone can be given. When you put all your eggs in one basket youre asking for trouble if youre wrong. When you hedge your bets in multiple areas if one fails you still have the others. Unless youre really bad at investing its unlikely you will fail on all fronts"
It all depends on what your liquidity needs are. Gold is a reserve asset, not an investment. As such it is accumulated and usually not sold and simply passed on. When people look at is an investment, they tend to get disappointed because your returns are 100% perception based, as there is no intrinsic return or value.
Edited by wjl 04/03/2013 6:05 pm
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Bedrock of the Community
13014 Posts |
Quote: It all depends on what your liquidity needs are. Gold is a reserve asset, not an investment. As such it is accumulated and usually not sold and simply passed on. When people look at is an investment, they tend to get disappointed because your returns are 100% perception based, as there is no intrinsic return or value.
A lot of people do sell it and look at it as an investment, that said we arent saying anything different though. Everyone needs liquid funds that should not be in PMs, and putting all the extra money into PMs is putting all your eggs in one basket. Just because you invest doesn't mean you cant get PMs just like if you get PMs it doesn't mean you cant invest. If you took your extra money and used 80 percent in investments (varying the types of course) and used the extra 20 for PMs, youd have about as diverse of a portfolio as you can get and be well protected from a number of different scenarios financially
Edited by basebal21 04/03/2013 6:10 pm
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
10982 Posts |
I bought quite a bit of gold from 2007 through 2009. Most of it was sold from 2010 through 2012. I averaged around a 30% ROI. Most of that was luck really, I made about $15k which is not a huge amount but was a significant gain.
If and when gold and silver return to 2009 levels of $1000 and $16 respectively, I'll be buying again.
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
3692 Posts |
Number one piece of advice: don't listen to others because they do not have the same budget or life circumstances as you do. Nobody is completely 100% objective when it comes to money because life decisions depend on how much one earns. Any philosophy behind these financial what-ifs are quite ludicrous and silly. IMHO. What I can spend on inanimate things like silver is not the same as what you can spend and RISK doing the same action.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1590 Posts |
The price for over 10 years have been determined by the Paper trade. There have been a few of us that have pointed out time and again the clear disconnect between the paper market and the physical market. The Spot price is based on the Paper market. Although bullion and coins are the highest profile segment of the Silver Market, they account for less than 9% of the market. We look at the supply and demand of Silver in our market segment and apply that to the industrial market. They are two different price points, as well as different sources of supply and demand.
If the ETF market goes down( and they are recording outflows of about 5 percent, in the last 60 days) then the spot price will go down. Remember the markets are intentionally rigged so that the Paper Spot price determines the price point in the physical market. Not the other way around.
The "BIG BOYS", in the bullion market are recording market losses of 40%, year over year. They are already starting to dump stock and "streamline" their inventory.
If they market looks "done and overdone, and boring" then the Paper guys will move to the next thing to make them money. At that point it will probably go down to the 2007 levels.
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Valued Member
United States
329 Posts |
"Remember the markets are intentionally rigged so that the Paper Spot price determines the price point in the physical market. Not the other way around."
I don't disagree that markets are rigged, but this is a rather short term phenomenon. If markets are rigged and the so-called bullion banks have all the control, then just how did gold get from 250 to 1500? Commodity and especially currency markets are very highly levered and as such they can behave counter intuitively. The big problem with gold and trying predict where it is going is that it has no income and no intinsic value. Therefore when it goes down traders sell it when it goes up they buy. Don't ask them why because they dont have a clue, but will always say something because they like to be on TV. But gold is still valuable and its value is best measured over generations rather than days or even years.
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