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1864 S Seated Liberty One Dime Seated Liberty

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 Posted 06/02/2013  5:52 pm  Show Profile   Check vermontensium's eBay Listings Check vermontensium's eCrater Listings Bookmark this reply Add vermontensium to your friends list
I have to agree with a MS coin, MS63 would be about right and yes, you are looking at a $1800-2000 coin. Third Party Authentication is a must. I would recommend PCGS.
I too am sorry for your loss.
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 Posted 06/02/2013  6:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list
Excellent. This is all good to hear; it means you don't have to learn everything you need to know in the next week.

First thing: If you don't already have them, order up a set of mylar flips to hold raw coins. Here's the caveat: These flips are also (cheaply) made of a plastic which includes PVC, a substance which makes them "softer." You deal with PVC often; if you've ever bought a new shower curtain, that "new" smell is PVC. This is not a good thing for coins. The outgassing byproducts of PVC are chemically reactive with almost every coin metal, particularly copper and silver, and will inevitably damage the coin if left in contact for more than a week or two.

So you want to ensure that any flips you buy contain no PVC. They will be described as "mylar," "archival," or something ensuring that they do not contain PVC. This is the specific brand and type I use:

http://www.wizardcoinsupply.com/pro...ips-2x2.html

I trust both the Saflip brand, and this particular dealer, without question. Doesn't mean you have to use them, but I strongly urge Saflips. Quick test: if the flip will fold over and stay closed with the weight of the coin on top, don't use the flip. You should have to crease it between fingernails to make it stay closed; that's what PVC does to plastic.

The other alternative is the traditional 2x2 (other sizes available) cardboard flip. They are almost always cardboard and mylar, quite safe, and perhaps more popular than my choice of storage. They will require a stapler to seal, and preferably a stapler which flat-clinches instead of the "usual" curved clinch of an office stapler. One uses these with a sense of more permanency than plastic flips; their nice regular shape lends itself to easier bulk storage in boxes designed for the role. You'd additionally need a bespoke stapler, of course.

I use what I do because I tend to remove coins fairly frequently for photographic study and such. Either method I've presented is perfectly acceptable from a numismatic standpoint.

I can't speak to your European coins - not my specialty - but hopefully we'll have a member or two who can help you there.
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 Posted 06/02/2013  6:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sirelothar to your friends list
Good to know about the PVC sleeves. I am going to be buying a lot of sleeves tomorrow that you recommended to me. I am going to be off here for a week soon and it will be fun looking these coins up and finding out about the past. There's something amazing about holding a coin from 1600's and so, knowing someone likely handled that coin. As I said I hope to be keeping most of these coins, especially the USA ones as a heirloom for the family or emergencies. I have a LOT of old German 5 mark/10 Mark pieces which I will likely get rid of since there are hundreds of them and there's no need to have that many in my eyes. I think her dad collected a majority of these purely for silver content. Thank you again for the help. I wasn't expecting such quick responses. I am going to be going into the attic here within the next few days and fishing out a few more tackle boxes worth of coins that haven't seen the light of day since the early 1900's , so hopefully I will find some more old US ones I can post here. I plan on starting my own collection of coins and using that dime as my first as long as the greedy side of the family doesn't show up to stake their claim to sell!

p.s. I am definitely getting that dime authenticated. I was afraid it was a fake at first because it looked fairly new.
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 Posted 06/02/2013  6:25 pm  Show Profile   Check BH1964's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add BH1964 to your friends list
If you want a few flips that are used to submit coins for grading, just message me your address by clicking on the icon in this post that show an envelope. I'll send you 4 or 5 for free. They are good for temporarily storing coins or shipping them for grading. Here's what they are: http://www.pcgs.com/store/p-18-safl...n-flips.aspx
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 Posted 06/02/2013  6:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list

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Thank you again for the help. I wasn't expecting such quick responses.


I don't have a life. That's why I'm a Moderator.

At least as regards US coins, concentrate harder on building a list of denomination/date/mint marks than shooting a ton of individual images. You've obviously got the ability to shoot acceptable images. Even Classic US coinage for many dates can have very little relative value over melt value; let's start by concentrating on stuff that perks up the ears of knowledgeable collectors and thereby reduce your immediate workload.

And develop a quick feel for the level of wear. Doesn't have to meet the 70-point Sheldon Scale we use, just a few clickstops at "really worn," not too bad," not much wear at all," "Uncirculated," and "Holy Cow!" That'll help us answer you more quickly, because some coins are what we call "condition rarities," like your Dime above.
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 Posted 06/02/2013  6:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add noahs-numismatics to your friends list

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I don't have a life.


Ahh, but if that is true then moderating gives you a life!

Sorry to hear about your grandmother. Yes, learning about the collection would be the best course of action. Learn as much as you can about grading, and the different coins available.

Love that dime!

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 Posted 06/02/2013  6:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sirelothar to your friends list
I do have one last question. If I find stacks of coins, presumably of the same kind. Is it better to keep them in the paper rolls or should I unwrap them?
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 Posted 06/02/2013  7:08 pm  Show Profile   Check vermontensium's eBay Listings Check vermontensium's eCrater Listings Bookmark this reply Add vermontensium to your friends list
Uh, if you find stacks of coins like this one, you just hit the lottery.
I would recommend carefully undoing the rolls and placing each one a saflip.
If they are all like the one above, you need to do a bulk submission.
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 Posted 06/02/2013  7:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sirelothar to your friends list
It's definitely not a stack of that dime! It's just raggedy rolls of german coins and some other ones. I just wasn't sure if it was better to keep them wrapped or not so I haven't done anything with them.
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 Posted 06/02/2013  8:04 pm  Show Profile   Check vermontensium's eBay Listings Check vermontensium's eCrater Listings Bookmark this reply Add vermontensium to your friends list
You can always buy plastic coin tubes to store them in.
That's what I'd do.
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 Posted 06/02/2013  9:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dsfreeworld to your friends list
coin tubes are best. just search the supply store link that SuperDave provided. I have purchased from that supplier as well. Very reputable. You should submit this dime to PCGS and have it encased and conserved forever.

there's only 300 of this 1864-S LSD around and ONLY 20 of those are in the grade you posses. They do not come up for sale very often.
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 Posted 06/02/2013  11:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list

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I just wasn't sure if it was better to keep them wrapped or not so I haven't done anything with them.


Don't be afraid to handle them individually, even if Uncirculated. Unwrap them. See what there is. Depending on the degree of sweat you develop in your hands, plan on using fingernails (have none? grow some first) to grab the coins, and handle them only by the rims.

Look at what you have. This is why those who first collected them did so, so you could handle them after they were gone. That's the point of what we do here. And now you're doing the same for those who will handle them when you're gone. This is the unwritten commitment we make as collectors - as numismatists - to only be a temporary owner of what we hold. It's a long-term debt, in the truest sense of the word.
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 Posted 06/02/2013  11:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Moe145 to your friends list
First: congratulations on a great collection! You had an amazing numismatist for a grandmother!! If your new collection is anything like the dime you posted, you have some incredible collection!

Second: to the Forum!

Third: We are here for the coins and the appreciation of them. As SsuperDdave (and other posters here) have mentioned, these coins are ours only for now and for some other coin aficionado in the future. We have to take care of them now so they'll be just as great for the next collector. In that light, PLEASE be careful of them and listen to the advice offered. If you keep them or if you sell them, you must preserve them. Storage, handling and grading of these coins is paramount.

Good luck and God Bless. Please let us know what you decide the direction of your collection and if and how we can help. (There are some VERY smart coin people on this forum and they will have the answer you need).

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 Posted 06/03/2013  12:15 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add D0ubl3Eagle to your friends list

I am sorry to hear about your loss. Your grandmother had a great eye for coins and I am looking forward to seeing more from the collection.

The dime is absolutely stunning. I can see it grading MS-63. I would definitely get it certified by either PCGS or NGC though PCGS would be preferred.
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 Posted 06/03/2013  12:47 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sirelothar to your friends list
Yep. I'm going to be buying a membership there tomorrow or at the latest next paycheck and go from there!!
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