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The Future Of The US One Cent (Penny)

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 Posted 09/12/2013  8:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add schris252 to your friends list
i frequently use junk cents (1982-2012) (Saving all copper and 2013 cents at the moment) at mc donalds as well as automated checkout machine,either in roll form for a small ($1 or less) purchase, or to make exact change especially for sales tax
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09/12/2013 8:24 pm
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 Posted 09/12/2013  9:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add everything to your friends list
"And regarding the "1-2% cash back","

Such a scam we are falling into, you use CC, you might get some cash back but they marked the item up XX%, honestly say I can't live without it (yes, the CC even though I barely use it, paypal is my other friend). Still, the CC company gets a cut, such a great way for us to funnel a little up to the 1% in exchange for the so often used service. The 1-2% cash back is the 1-2% extra you are already paying that they tack onto the cost of whatever you bought, so screw your 1-2%, it's just a giveback that does not add up until you just flat out use CC for everything, which is exactly what they want, slowly feeding the 1% - give me more. Great rant thread..

Not sure about the future of the penny, I guess the plan is to keep it around.
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09/12/2013 9:35 pm
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 Posted 09/12/2013  10:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Fox to your friends list

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(Saving all copper and 2013 cents at the moment)


I can understand saving all copper pre-1982s and copper 1982s, but, why "2013" Zincolns? Is there something special about this year?

(Oh, and speaking of "13s" its almost Friday the 13th here 9/13/13. As Dr. Evil would say, "Yeah, Shcary"
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09/12/2013 11:01 pm
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 Posted 09/13/2013  03:04 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add basebal21 to your friends list

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The 1-2% cash back is the 1-2% extra you are already paying that they tack onto the cost of whatever you bought


Not really. The overwhelming majority of stores in the country charge the same for cash as they do for credit so its better to get the 1-2 percent back when they charge the same. For places they do offer a cash discount is the discount is higher than the cash back would be obviously its better to use cash
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 Posted 09/13/2013  12:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list
The places where I pay cash have a significant discount. For example, a lunch combo I regularly get rings up to $8.97, but I only pay $8.
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 Posted 09/13/2013  1:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add schris252 to your friends list
i try to save as many nice cents I can find for the current year and roll them up. so far I have found 4 rolls of UNC 2013-D in change these past 9 months. once I reach 5 rolls I will no longer save them.
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Not really. The overwhelming majority of stores in the country charge the same for cash as they do for credit so its better to get the 1-2 percent back when they charge the same. For places they do offer a cash discount is the discount is higher than the cash back would be obviously its better to use cash


It's rare to see the cash discount, I don't think the government likes it and stopped gas stations from doing it in the past because it made the markup you get by using credit to obvious to the masses, now it's just included in the cost of doing business. But, I guess I've seen small business, like say a Chinese restaurant balk all day at getting one of these CC machine readers in.

I just checked the fees and it's .11 for the gross transaction all day, another .0195 for something called the APF and hey if you use debit they give you a break on the APF, it's only .0155. Using Debit, something called a TIF 10 cents per transaction. Their are other fees and costs but if you ever think of starting your own business this is your primer for CC. http://www.cardfellow.com/blog/cred...essing-fees/

1-2% is just a giveback, great way to get people to use the cards, but like I said, who's actually paying the 1-2% more?, I can assure you the business man is not marking his product down, but the CC company, they are making a killing, so it is you my fellow CC users who pay it up the chain..

Not saying card rewards are not good. This also tells how the rewards costs are simply passed back onto you anyways.
http://www.indexcreditcards.com/cre...=fxb-6554810
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09/13/2013 4:38 pm
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It's rare to see the cash discount, I don't think the government likes it and stopped gas stations from doing it in the past because it made the markup you get by using credit to obvious to the masses, now it's just included in the cost of doing business.


Ironically gas stations are one of the few places I've seen that around me. Its a little shady how they have it with the lower prices then in smaller letters underneath say cash price. I generally dont go there because of that, it just rubs me the wrong way. I wouldnt even know who you report that too if its not legal.

I do agree they probably do include it in the cost of business for their prices, but if its going to be there anyway I might as well recover it with the credit card. I use the credit card for basically everything and just pay it off every month to get the cash back. If there was a greater discount for cash then the cash back I would switch to that for most things.

I personally hate using debit cards though. Half the time stores process it as a credit card and you get hit with an extra bank fee every time they do that or at least they used to do that when I stopped using it
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 Posted 09/13/2013  6:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DNA to your friends list
Many gas stations used to give cash discounts around here (as separate posted rates for cash and credit), but I haven't seen that in while...

I do get the occasional "what the heck" glance when I park at the pump and then walk in to prepay
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 Posted 09/13/2013  6:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rpmes to your friends list
I think it's funny when people say they get cash back from using credit cards. The only way they can give you cash back and make a profit, is to charge you more money, then they give you some of Your money back . Wow, credit cards just blow me away. I will never own them, bring on the cash please.
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When I was living in France in the late 1970s the lowest value coin was 1 centime (one-hundredth of a franc). I reckon it then had about the same purchasing power as an American penny has now - you needed 50 or 60 to buy a postage stamp, for instance. But unlike the US penny, you hardly ever saw them. The mint simply stopped making them (except for collectors' uncirculated sets) once they cost more than their face value to manufacture. Most shops rounded up prices to the nearest 5 centimes. I was always pleased when I got a 1-centime coin in change, as it was quite a rare occurence. In fact it was more usual to get an old aluminium 1-franc coin dated from 1941 - 1959 than an actual post-1960 1c coin, and the aluminium 2 old franc coins were also still used. I remember once reading an interview in a newspaper with the CEO of the Banque de France in which he was asked whether he was going to withdraw the 1c coin, and he said there was no need to pass legislation to withdraw it as it was vanishing from circulation anyway. As far as I know, it remained legal tender right up to the introduction of the Euro.

So perhaps - if Denver and Philadelphia just stopped minting pennies for circulation, people would gradually stop using them?
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09/13/2013 6:37 pm
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The only way they can give you cash back and make a profit, is to charge you more money, then they give you some of Your money back


Thats only if you dont pay it off every month. If you pay it off every month you dont pay them any more than you spent
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 Posted 09/13/2013  6:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add schris252 to your friends list
i only use my credit card when I don't want to break another dollar for something like a $1.08 purch ASE
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I do get the occasional "what the heck" glance when I park at the pump and then walk in to prepay
That was you?


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Thats only if you dont pay it off every month. If you pay it off every month you dont pay them any more than you spent
Exactly. They probably lose money on those of us who pay their cards off every month. I doubt they care when a adequate number of customers barely pay more than the interest.
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Exactly. They probably lose money on those of us who pay their cards off every month. I doubt they care when a adequate number of customers barely pay more than the interest.


They should still make some money from charging the vendors, but I have no doubts theyve figured out the magic number where they maximize their profit while still getting paid. Mastarcards stock didnt basically triple to almost 700 a share in the last 3 years from everyone paying it off every month. Still kicking myself for not getting in on that one.
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