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 Posted 06/12/2007  10:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Climb4 to your friends list
Thank you for the information. I read up a little on VAM's and that adds a whole new world to the Morgans. I cropped a close up of the tail feathers and arrows. Pretty sure a tail feather is sticking out from underneath...



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 Posted 06/12/2007  11:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bryan1315 to your friends list
his is a 7/8 reverse and if I didn't have so much going on I would tell you which one it is but I can assure you this is definately not just a 1878 7TF its definately a 1878 7/8 TF Morgan
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 Posted 06/13/2007  09:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list
Figured I'd see you here, Bryan.

I'll be researching this one during the day - I took a day off work.
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 Posted 06/13/2007  09:45 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list
I've tentatively identified this one based on the eagle's legs and the round blob underneath the olive branch, but there's a couple more things to be seen.

Climb4, can you get me similar crops of the eagle's head/shoulders, and the cotton bolls on the obverse? If you're unsure, those are the two rounded thingies between the leaves, just between Liberty's head and cap. Also, can you tell me if you see doubling on the first couple of stars to the right of the date?
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 Posted 06/13/2007  09:49 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bryan1315 to your friends list
since you mentioned legs I can tell you exactly what it "Probably" is and it ends with a 33 because 33 and "the King Of Vams" is the only one with doubled legs like that and I doubt its the later and if it is I'm on a flight tomorrow to where ever he lives
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 Posted 06/13/2007  10:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list
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since you mentioned legs I can tell you exactly what it "Probably" is and it ends with a 33 because 33 and "the King Of Vams" is the only one with doubled legs like that and I doubt its the later and if it is I'm on a flight tomorrow to where ever he lives


Yeah, I'm pretty sure it's a 33, but you never know....and if it's a 44 I'll get there before you.

Climb4, I'm pretty sure this one's a VAM-33. The reverse is shared with VAM-44, which is known as the "King of VAM's" and is almost a "set your own price" kind of coin. If those cotton bolls are tripled, get that coin into a safe deposit box NOW.
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 Posted 06/13/2007  11:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Climb4 to your friends list
I really appreciate the work you all are putting into this. I'll try and keep the crops coming as you request them. Does not seem to have double stamps on the stars. Is this a "long nock"? Under glass it seems to be a bit longer than the others.



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 Posted 06/13/2007  12:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list
OK, I'm tentatively guessing VAM-33. It's one of the more common varieties, but no less interesting for that. Climb4, check this out:

http://vamworld.wikispaces.com/1878-P+VAM-33

Vamworld is the best single resource for Morgan VAM information on the Internet, and a must-bookmark for anyone who is interested in Morgans. I have that website open in a tab whenever I'm online.
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 Posted 06/13/2007  12:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bryan1315 to your friends list
you just don't know how many VAM-33's I have bought just because I thought I saw something with fuzzy pictures on ebay just trying to find that one motherload coin
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 Posted 06/13/2007  1:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Climb4 to your friends list
Thanks for the link! Now I'm really confused. lol No doubling of the stars makes me wonder if it is a VAM-33. The list of VAM's is pretty overwhelming to look trough especially with such minor differences/similarities. You guys must have much better eyes that I!
Looking at this Morgan under glass I can see a faint line (looks like a possible die crack?)from the "D" in dollar going to the edge of the "T". This line is right at the top of all the letters on the left side. This is NOT a straight line and it runs right through the tip of the wing. The only part the camera was able to capture is from the "D" in dollar to the "E" in one...



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I will be visiting BadThad next weekend and I will leave the coin with him for some very detailed pictures that may help. He has a microscope with a camera attached so pics are extremely detailed.

I just remembered I have my own microscope with a cam built in. Here are even more details including the elusive double stamped stars...




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 Posted 06/13/2007  2:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list
Keep in mind, Climb4, many VAM's are the result of a die which was incorrect from the very start. Such coins will be struck in the thousands, and die wear will show over the life of the die. So, some features will not be as prominent, or more prominent, in a later die state than an earlier. You're unlikely to find a VAM which is a "perfect" match for the published pictures.

I'd say between the lump under the olive branch, the heavily doubled eagle's legs, and your doubled star pics, that this is a conclusive attribution. It's VAM-33.
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 Posted 06/13/2007  2:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Climb4 to your friends list
Thank you for clarifying about the VAM's as well as letting me know what I hold in my hand. If my Brother and ever decide to let some of these go we need to know what we have. I hate being a sucker! We have a lot of studying to do thanks to all the fine folks on the forum.
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WOW, cool thread bro....nice job. Thanks to everyone for their help/advice! I have like 30 more I need you guys to look at and comment on, once I have some time.
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 Posted 06/14/2007  11:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ozland to your friends list
Before I perused the second page, my guess was a VAM 33. The VAM 33 has one strong tail feather showing under number four tail feather and weak remnants under feathers four and five and five and six. A faint tail feather sometimes shows under number six on early strike specimens. NGC consensus report shows 185 VAM 33 'doubled talons' in all grades. My guess is your coin will grade MS 62 and I put the value of your coin around one hundred and sixty dollars.
By the way, much, much nicer pictures, hence the higher grade. You have a very nice coin.
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 Posted 06/15/2007  12:10 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Climb4 to your friends list
Thank you Ozland. I appreciate you taking the time to look and voice an opinion.
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