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One thing acetone can do is remove earlier attempts at covering up a botched cleaning or polishing job. If someone had tried to "retone" a cleaned coin by smearing it in goo, then the acetone can remove the goo, showing the cleaned coin underneath.
I am sure that most of the complaints about "acetone ruining their coins" are just this: coins that were already ruined, which acetone has revealed the true nature of.
This is one case where a "before" picture might have come in handy.
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Pillar of the Community
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It could also just be a proof like coin. Usually acetone will not remove toning. Look for fine cleaning lines. Tilt it in different light.
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I have a before pix. Sent it to you guys to ask if textile toned. Thanks so much  |
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Is there a mint mark on the coin? If so, what is it and do you know what VAM it is? Finding this info can help you determine if others from the same die pair are listed as proof like. This is just an idea and it is still possible to have a proof like of a VAM when no others have been found. Do you see any fine cleaning lines? Are the devices as shiny as the flats? To Start you off I can see you have what looks like a Far Date coin. Here are the 1891-P VAMs http://www.vamworld.com/1891-P+Obverses (Look at the Far Date VAMs to identify this coin) Here are the 1891-S VAMs http://www.vamworld.com/1891-S+Obverses (Look at the Far Date VAMs to identify this coin) Here are the 1891-CC VAMs http://www.vamworld.com/1891-CC+VAMs (There are only 7 so look through them all if your coin is a CC) Here are the 1891-O VAMS http://www.vamworld.com/1891-O+date (Look at the Far Date VAMs to identify this coin) I hope this helps you. Without looking for the cleaning lines it is really hard to tell from photos if it has been cleaned or is a true PL coin. Kris |
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Here's pix of reverse. Having trouble determining VAM. I appreciate your helpful input.   |
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Yes, the entire coin is very shiny. Clashed N.
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I checked the SSDC registry and I only see about 3 have been listed and none of them are PL but like I said that doesn't mean much.
The only real way to know if your coin is cleaned is to look at it under a loop and tilt it in the light. Look for fine scratches, they will show up if it has been cleaned.
Since it lost color in the Acetone I would almost bet it was all PVC from a folder. The color is right for a folder type toning anyway.
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No way a Morgan with that much wear retains PL properties. I'm with Sap on this one - polished and covered with something to mask the polishing for resale. Note all the crud built up in the nooks and crannies - this was a pretty poor job, unfortunately.
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So this might be an example of a whizzed coin? Still there should be cleaning lines, correct?
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O mints are really hard to tell how worn they are. A picture of the Bolls might help but even those can be struck weak.
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Yep whizzed or polished with a high speed Dremel tool it looks like. The wear gives it away, no coin with wear below AU will still appear as a Proof Like. This one seems to be around a low to mid range VF coin.
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So this might be an example of a whizzed coin? Still there should be cleaning lines, correct?
No cleaning lines. Despite popular misconception, whizzing isn't done with a wire wheel - you don't need that kind of force to reach the desired objective. The only real difference between whizzing and polishing is the degree of severity; whizzing is strong enough to physically move metal. These days, I expect it's done with a Dremel and fiber wheel. |
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Thank you Dave. I guess the only way to tell is to look at the coin under the loop and look for the usual die flow lines.
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Love to read your analyzing. I think you guys are right on. Looks like I removed something with the acetone that covered up the high 'polished' shine.
Amazing what one can learn here.
Thanks much
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