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Do You Consider Copper Bullion A Precious Metal?

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 Posted 01/29/2014  11:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add COINAHOLIC to your friends list
I don't really consider it to be a precious metal, but more of a pretty one. Whether it is a glowing red cent or a round/bar of an ounce or more, I think they have a pleasing look to them.

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 Posted 03/26/2014  10:02 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Circus to your friends list
Ok I am catching up with life's stuff for a couple hours this morning! to finish and post some copper bullion coins that are being hawked as the right stuff for preppers, @ gun shows. These are 1/4 and 1/2 Ounce copper rounds a couple are plated.
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The selling point is people are more likely to take the smaller than ounce size and that they aren't silver or gold which people don't understand! Of course the general public don't understand the copper market and better.
that it is cheaper to buy scrap copper by the pound or even casting grains than the 1/4 ounce
They are only nice if you like the looks of them!
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 Posted 03/26/2014  10:15 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Circus to your friends list
In re reading this thread I have noticed that some are referring to pennies as brass or bronze! THEY ARE NOT EITHER, they are zinc plated with copper which doesn't makes them brass or bronze!
the jewelers resource guide shows that To be consider any of the hundreds of brass alloy's it must be at least 55%to95% copper with the rest zinc in matching % to equal 100%
As for bronze is from 60%to95% copper with the remainder Tin with up to0.35% phosphorus added other than plumbing or Roman bronze which is 60Cu(Copper)/1Sn(tin)/33Zn(zinc)/6 Pb(lead)so pennies after mid 1982 are zinc plated in copper nothing else.
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03/26/2014 10:18 am
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 Posted 03/26/2014  11:22 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coinwatch to your friends list
The thing I like best about my common penny collection is that I have near zero expectation of any sort of meaningful price appreciation. What I do have, however, is a lifetime's worth good memories collecting pennies. And, ya know? Not once in all those years has the daily market price of anything ever spoiled my enjoyment of my collection. I certainly can't say that for silver or gold.

If you enjoy collecting pennies and private mint copper rounds, that's the only justification anyone should ever need. Sometimes, trying to look at everything as some sort of "investment" just takes away from the fun.

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 Posted 03/26/2014  1:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add angel2004 to your friends list
Yes that's so true but it helps that they do have intrinsic value! Not like beenie babies! Remember that?
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 Posted 03/26/2014  1:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Libertad to your friends list
@Circus: We were referring to US pennies that are pre-1981, not the plated zinc versions of today.

Copper Bullion? Please be real. A bar of copper isn't even worth lugging around. It's not even something to consider - it is fact that it is not bullion. And if it's not .999 pure it really isn't bullion either because you're storing roughly 10% of that in copper! The whole point of bullion is being able to purify as much as one can and store them in as tight a place as possible to cut down on space and hence it's worth more. Why should bullion be alloyed with anything at all - it's not being moved around much or circulating. I think we're all missing the point of why bullion is bullion.
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 Posted 03/26/2014  2:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coinwatch to your friends list

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I think we're all missing the point of why bullion is bullion.


This. Exactly right.
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 Posted 03/26/2014  3:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Circus to your friends list

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They are brass, which is valued much less than bare bright copper.


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To clear things up: pennies are not brass, they are bronze. It is evident not only by their alloys but by their color.

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This reply has the mint's break down they stopped pennies bronze alloy in 1962!

I agree with the facts that copper is copper and that the "copper bullion rounds" are no more than tokens!
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 Posted 03/26/2014  8:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Fixguy to your friends list
Next we'll discuss weather or not 99.9 is good enough or 99.99.
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 Posted 03/28/2014  7:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Liverpool to your friends list
Here's my 2 cents worth......No copper is not a precious metal. If you do feel you need to buy it, stack it, wait for hardware stores to have sales on plumbing copper pipes.
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 Posted 04/08/2014  2:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add t84s to your friends list
I don't consider it a PM, but I do like some of the coins and they are usually had for around $1. I wouldn't buy the coins with any expectation of making money off of them. I view them as a fun and cheap way for the kids to collect some coins.
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 Posted 04/10/2014  3:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dar to your friends list
It is bullion but I personally wouldn't hoard it for the trade value 'as is'.

But if you get down to the 'brass tacks' of it. If you are planning for the end of the world type stuff.

It might be nice to have around to make daily utensils out of.

Now they would be worth trading for. Pots, pans ect...

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 Posted 04/10/2014  4:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Fat Freddy to your friends list
You might want to lay in some tin and zinc, too. Then you could make brass and bronze and make some really neat-O pots
and pans. If you had some iron and carbon, you could make steel and then make some cool swords and axes out of it.
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 Posted 04/10/2014  4:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coinwatch to your friends list
If I were a sculptor or other artist/craftsman working with metals, I could see wanting to keep a good supply of the raw materials I use regularly in my trade. Especially if I had good reason to suspect a hefty price rise in the future. However, the modest price increases that can hurt a trades person's bottom line probably wouldn't amount to much gain for the ordinary PM stacker.

As for saving for future doom and gloom, I'd skip the base metals and stash a ton of cheap but serviceable imported tools. Ready made saws and hammers and axes and water pails will all command a much higher premium than an equivalent weight of raw copper, tin, and zinc in a SHTF scenario.
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 Posted 04/11/2014  1:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Liverpool to your friends list
FatFreddy, you're Killing me. <<<big belly laughs>>>,
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