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Pillar of the Community
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I would agree with the AU Details, from the pictures, it has the dull finish of a coin that has been dipped.
Interested to see what NGC/PCGS said.
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Pillar of the Community
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Looks like AU details to me too.
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Pillar of the Community
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My lighting needs to be better. The digital photos I take slaughter the appearance of my coins.
PCGS says MS-62.
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Quote: PCGS says MS-62.
I agree with PCGS. One of the pitfalls of grading from online images is the need to be skilled in interpreting photographs at an equal level to one's grading skill, because no two cameras provide the same result. Unless, of course, you're building to the formula we preach in the Photography Forum.  When evaluating luster in a coin photograph, consider both the issue involved and the interplay of lighting with the surface of the coin. A Peace dollar which displays the booming luster of an average Morgan is a rare coin; that just doesn't happen with Peace issues that often. That's one factor, coin-related. The direct nature of the lighting here forces a large contrast between what's highlighted and what's in shadow; the conclusion is that the greater that contrast, the greater the actual luster whether successfully lit or not. That's another factor, camera-related. There's no rub on the highest point of the eagle's shoulder, the very_first_place a Peace dollar will wear. If that spot hasn't circulated, neither has the rest of the coin. Te reverse fields show brightly-lit areas on an axis from 10:00-4:00, consistent with one light applied from about 2:00. Yet that bright band does not similarly illuminate the wing, indicating the wing is "duller" (less lustrous) than the surrounding field. That's a sign of lack of circulation; the moment that area starts wearing it starts shining more brightly than it did before. There is no color or intensity difference across any of the cheek. No wear there. This is a Mint State coin.
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Bedrock of the Community
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good comments SDave. very much appreciated and good information to keep in mind
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I agree with superdave. My thinking process went like this:
First photo: Looks like hairline scratches and possibly some rubs, AU I guess.
Second photo: That looks MS, perhaps 62, no signs of cleaning.
After I posted, I immediately though I should have said MS62 details. There is a skill in interpreting the photos and I got it wrong.
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Pillar of the Community
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PCGS needs grading lessons. Hairlines, rub, and nicks over most of coin. My grade is AU55.
Edited by 1893S 02/06/2014 1:43 pm
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Quote: PCGS needs grading lessons. Hairlines, rub, and nicks over most of coin. My grade is AU55.
Explain how wear can happen on the lower points of the coin without happening on the highest, first-to-wear points, and I'll convert to your way of thinking.
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Pillar of the Community
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Peace dollar highpoints are on Libertys cheek and center portion of the bottom of her neck. On the reverse the high points are on the CENTER of the eagles wing. This coin obviously shows wear in these areas also many hairlines in both field and portrait and eagle also many small abraisons/nicks especially on eagle. So there you go AU55 is all I can give the coin.
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Dave - great info and very insightful commentary. I think all your points are valid. The only thing I can't get past are what appear to be a lot of hairlines on the obverse. Are these not hairlines? You've convinced me that this could be a low MS coin, but I'm still shocked it didn't get details.
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Pillar of the Community
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I appreciate all the input. I have to admit I was surprised when I looked at the photos for the first time. The coin looks so much better in hand. Again, I really appreciate and respect all the input. I tend to think my photos don't do lustrous silver coins justice.
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