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A Junk Ike Is Worth More Than A Buck

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 Posted 02/09/2014  11:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rachums107 to your friends list
You guys we have had arguments like this 100 times over and they never go anywhere...it doesn't matter.
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 Posted 02/10/2014  12:02 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mkman123 to your friends list
I feel bad for the waiting staff! next time give them 5 ikes or 5 greenbacks. They work hard for their money.
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 Posted 02/10/2014  05:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list

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How is your Morality, Cheating nature, Advantage taking, Stealing,
actions going to stand up?


If they mention it here, they get the same thing you just did. Morally-ambiguous actions are the same, regardless of the specific action, and they're all just as unwelcome here.
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 Posted 02/10/2014  08:36 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add HawkHybrid to your friends list
my 2 cents

make a trade/offer that you believe is sustainable at the time of the trade.

if you agree that the waiters/waitresses will never knowingly trade 1-2
then no future similar trades will occur with that same person.

will you willingly trade 2 greenbacks for a waiters ike coin?

HH
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 Posted 02/10/2014  10:38 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Darth Morgan to your friends list
I don't like this scenario at all. If the tip is to be $10.00, then give them $10 whether it be in Ikes, Kennedy halves, or a $10 bill. The joy should come from giving the coins period, not from potentially shortchanging the server by offering them a choice between what they deserve or HALF of what they deserve. Ridiculous.
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02/10/2014 10:40 am
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 Posted 02/10/2014  1:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list

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Much less. In 2010 when I worked at a restaurant servers were paid $2.65 an hour. Tips are a HUGE part of their wages. I'm all for getting a good deal on stuff but tipping a server is no place to be cheap.

I agree. I've known many servers and that $2.65 is what their minimum wage is, but they get taxed as if they were paid at least $7.25 an hour. I would never shortchange a server (unless the service is really bad) and I usually tip 20 - 25%. I also often use some Ikes, halves, small dollars, twos etc, but I always tip the full amount.
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 Posted 02/10/2014  2:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dawg51999 to your friends list
It's not cheating or stealing. Should you leave a tip? Yes. Is it stealing if you don't? Of course not.

But beyond that point, the "value" of an item is the cost that someone will pay. If a waiter agrees to take $2 Ike's instead of 4 dollar bills, the waiter has valued the Ike's at $2 a piece. Just because you value something differently does not make his actions wrong on any level.

And if you think it is wrong, then wouldn't coin roll hunting be wrong as well? After all we are giving the bank dollars hoping to receive more valuable silver coins in return.
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 Posted 02/10/2014  3:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add smokeriderdon to your friends list
Devils advocate. The server made a choice. The OP did NOT say these are worth the same as the bills. He simply presented a choice, and the server took the Ikes. That person made that choice for one reason. They felt that they were getting the same value. No one forced them or tricked them. If they felt that they were coming out far ahead without actually knowing what they were accepting, that is THEIR fault. Honestly, if you are given a choice of 4 dollar bills or two dollar coins and you have no earthly clue if those coins are any more valuable than face, and you take the coins? You deserve what you get. Personal responsibility for your choices.

Now, had the OP lied and said these coins are easily worth twice face, THEN he would deserve all of the hate being vented at him.
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 Posted 02/10/2014  4:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ASLAN TVorlon to your friends list
Can we please separate coin roll hunting from tips?

A nameless faceless bank that makes millions off of billions and could care less about silver unless they are buying on paper in bulk commodities.

And a single mother with 3 kids struggling on less than minimum wage?

edit: formatting to make more sense.
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 Posted 02/10/2014  4:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ASLAN TVorlon to your friends list
I have an idea here, give them 3 options, if the tip is supposed to be $2.00 set down 2 notes, one Junk Ike and five 1940-50's wheat pennies with a Buffalo nickel that the date has worn off of.

Explain that there is no collector value for any of the options and then spell out the face value of each option.

$2.00 is what you are owed.
$1.00 for a novelty coin that was never very popular
-or-
$0.10 for old common and unknown dates on small change.

If they take the pennies and nickel then it's 95% profit for you
Imagine a $20.00 tip reduced to ONE DOLLAR, a stack of buff's with no dates and a handful of wheat ears
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 Posted 02/10/2014  5:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ASLAN TVorlon to your friends list
I'm not playing Devils advocate at all, like the banks I think that cheating idiots because they don't know any better is a good thing.
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 Posted 02/10/2014  5:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Duncan_Doenitz to your friends list
I often tip with the small dollar coins at face value, but with a new waiter or waitress I try to make sure the first time that they know the coins are not quarters!

It's a hard choice though, because obviously their income is not great (at least not at the cheap joints we frequent!) and I get the impression the odd coins sometimes get saved instead of spent, so it's important to try to gauge how the coins are accepted. When they get a kick out of it, we repeat the same next time, and with others we might switch to paper money.

I've learned that some of our wait persons are coin collectors, or know someone who collects, so I try to have current dollar coins for them, even though they now have to be bought at above face value. I'm 71 years old now, but when I was young I was in their place, and it's important to remember what it was like, and how important the tips were.

That reminds me, there's probably still a few Sacagawea rolls around here, bought when it was possible to get 500 coins at face value and free delivery. We go out to dine at least once every week, so there was no worries about being able to spend the bulk of them.

-Duncan
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 Posted 02/10/2014  5:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add HawkHybrid to your friends list
by the manner with which they were given the option,
they would assume that both choices were of similar value.

as the customer is perfectly free to tip whatever value they deem appropriate,
so are unlikely to tip 2 different values.

HH
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 Posted 02/10/2014  6:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jpbone to your friends list
Another endless thread. I'm sure the OP never intended to be discussing the morality of the issue. I believe his intent was innocent and possibly not well thought out. For crying out loud people, he didn't trip a grandma as she was trying to cross the street or punch a baby in the face. I wouldn't necessarily do what he did, but let's try and keep a little perspective.

P.S. I drove 65 mph in a 55 mph zone today. I coulda killed a child. Therefore I'm an immoral human being.
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Locking this thread. It has run its course, and may go down a path that we don't want.
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