Certification Without Slabbing?

We know for sure they have no financial interest because they arent allowed to grade their own inventory. If its not theirs they have no incentive to juice it up.

They dont list their actual graders online as far as I know, the majority of people on that list arent graders for them just people they may contact from time to time or who may act as consultants for the direction of the company. Its basically like their board of directors with I believe only two people on that list actually working at PCGS everyday from a quick skim of it.

A coin with that potential value would get the full attention of the more experienced people there and anyone they needed to contact if necessary, it wouldnt just be passed off to a grading team that does bulk ASE grading.

But your still missing the point. NCG has already graded these exact coins before just as PCGS has graded other dates of those types of proofs like Trout mentioned. Theres a reason why a dealer with a couple hundred thousand worth of slabbed coins hasnt felt the need to put the coin that would benefit the most from it into a slab. I apologize if it was blunt in the last response but it comes across like youre looking for any excuse not to question the dealer with the coin and make excuses for why its raw instead of paying attention to the warning signs

What is your agenda here?
Are you hoping to discredit PCGS in case your coin comes back in a boddybag

From the single image you supplied of your coin I would hazard to guess that if is in fact a proof coin it is an "Impaired" proof.
Far too bashed about to be uncirculated and certainly NOT "Cabinet Rub" IMHO.
The "Red Herring" you put in this thread about Andre . threw me off for a while (I have had contact with Andrew and know exactly why the coin is still Raw)But I am now back on track.
Your words describing your coin (Proof/Specimen)lead me to believe that you have NO provenance for this coin and are speculating about it being a proof or specimen coin.

How about a couple of good images of the obverse and reverse (The entire coin this time) and my "Learned colleagues" will endeavor to ascertain weather it is a proof/specimen coin or not

How does that suit you ?
We have members on this site that are highly skilled and knowledgeable regarding Australian pre decimal copper coins and best of all their opinions are given freely and without bias

That is because there is NO evidence that I am wrong
And as far as enlightening you regarding Andre ., Why don't you ask him yourself .

I am sorry jimmyjammy But there is NOWHERE in this thread that I called the 1949 1/2d a polished ORDINARY coin.
I did say that IMHO it had been cleaned and I intend to stand by that opinion OK.

The original thread was about YOUR coin and not Andre ..
What He told me in a PRIVATE email was in confidence and I respect the man enough to keep that confidence and as the information has absolutely NOTHING to do with your coin I think it is irrelevant .
Like I said ask the bloke yourself if you really want to know.
As far as being "Evasive" I imagine that this term would apply to you regarding the original post about your coin.

Post a thread in the Australian Grading section with good images and you should get a definitive answer as to the grade and type of your penny

One of the interesting things about a "1952 proof or specimen (Australian) penny" is that that even the most competent of Australian numismatic auctioneers are likely to describe them as such in auction lot descriptions. The difference is next to zero, which leaves the auctioneer no choice, but to describe fairly.

That being the case, I seriously doubt that NGC or PCGS would be able to differentiate them with 100% certainty, either.

That leads me back to the suggestion that an Australian auctioneer of highest reputation, such as Noble or Downies, could be approached for an opinion, and left at that.

Totally with sel on this - I'd feel comfortable buying a coin of this value from a reputable dealer like Noble or Downies (personally, I'd say Jim Noble would be more qualified on Australian coins than a US TPG). They might not be a "third party", but both have reputations to uphold and that is enough incentive to get things right.

Whenever buying any coin, but especially one this valuable - you should do your research and examine the coin in hand yourself. That goes regardless of whether it is being sold by a reputable dealer or if it is slabbed.

JUst caught up with this thread. I see some people got a little hot under the collar. The key point of irritation IMHO is "cultural" American collectors just have no understanding of the absolute suspicion the rest of the world has of the American TPGs. We would never argue with TPGs on American coins but with non-American we foreign collectors just see so many mistakes from PCGS, and NGC we just wouldn't go near them. The coins pictured are investment grade Australian coins. The best way to get the Certified is to take them to Nobles, or Monetarium( may be spelt wrong) ask them to authenticate the coin and insist on paying for the service. They will do the necessary research and will provide you with a written evaluation of the coin including market value. IMHO Foreign (meaning non USA) investment grade coins should never be slabbed unless they are going to be sold in the North American market. By investment grade I am referring to coins that exceed US$20,000 in value. For non US collectors who are most likely to pay the most for such coins the slab is just going to get in the way of authenticating the coin. If I was looking at buying such a coin( in my dreams) and it was slabbed the first thing I would ask the dealer of auction house to do would be to remove it from the slab so I could authenticate it. If it were an American coin I would happily leave it in the slab.