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1819/8 Half Dollar With Dot In 8?

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 Posted 04/06/2014  8:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TypeCoin971793 to your friends list
Looks like a die chip to me. Check to see if that is normal for the variety or if there is another variety that takes the die chip into account.
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 Posted 04/07/2014  3:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add austinb_10 to your friends list
Do you know of any websites that would have the varieties listed?
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 Posted 04/07/2014  4:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TypeCoin971793 to your friends list
http://rob.com/russ/collection/

Here is something that may be useful. Check out O-106. I think I see a die chip in the upper loop of the first 8.
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 Posted 04/08/2014  02:21 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add austinb_10 to your friends list
I think you are right about O-106,its hard to tell, but I think that's the only one I saw with that die chip.it said that it was a very scarce variety, would that add any extra value to the coin? Or do varieties of this coin not really change the price too much?
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 Posted 04/08/2014  1:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TypeCoin971793 to your friends list
Yes varieties can add value to a coin, depending on the rarity. I have a coin that is questionable in its variety. If it is one variety, it is worth $50, but if it's the other rarer variety, then it is worth at least $1500. So, yes, varieties do have an impact on a coin's volume.
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 Posted 04/17/2014  07:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TreasHunt to your friends list
The 'die chip' (if that is what it is, would not add value.

The Overton # (by die marriage) establishes value by rarity.

That said, if it was a LDS (late die state) it could effect the value.

But, this would not.

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 Posted 04/17/2014  1:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list
The presence or absence of a die chip in the writeup for a given Overton doesn't necessarily prove or disprove its' existence. If you can, please post full-face images of the coin for attribution purposes. O-106 has a die defect over the second 1 and doubling in the 8 which yours does not show; I don't think it's O-106.
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 Posted 04/18/2014  1:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add austinb_10 to your friends list
Thanks for all this information guys! I'm not too familiar with varieties, so any help is appreciated. And ill work on getting some full-face photos up for attribution!
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 Posted 04/18/2014  2:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add austinb_10 to your friends list
Here are the full-faced pictures!

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 Posted 04/18/2014  3:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TypeCoin971793 to your friends list
Found it! It is an O-105. R-2

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 Posted 04/19/2014  12:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add austinb_10 to your friends list
Thanks for all the help! Is it true that the O-105 isn't really an overdate, but is instead just a die crack in the 9? Just curious!
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 Posted 05/04/2014  9:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add austinb_10 to your friends list
In your honest opinion, would it be worth sending this coin in to be graded and slabbed? The place I got it from had it graded at VG-10. I know its not nearly as rare or valuable as a lot of coins, but It probably still has some value!
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 Posted 05/11/2014  8:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add austinb_10 to your friends list
Ive also noticed that this coin has slightly rotated dies. I tried to measure it, and I may not be 100% accurate, but it is rotated about 30°. I know its nothing major like 90 or 180° but to my knowledge it is above mint tolerance. Is this series known for having rotated dies like this, or us it something more on the scarcer side?
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 Posted 05/12/2014  11:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Moe145 to your friends list
If it helps, here's some pictures of my 1819 CBH, O-105/R-2.

O-105 Diagnostics from Coinzip.proboards.com:


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Large 9 1819 O-105 R2: (Not a true overdate.)

Obverse: Star 1 points between dentils. Solid graver's slip and/or die chip joins tail to upper loop of 9. All the 1819/18 overdates have flat top 1s. This marriage has the high pointed top 1, like is found on all the normal 1819 dates.

Reverse: Notch at right base of As at right. Right sides of I and T are in line. (Reverse shared with O-106.)

Read more: http://coinzip.proboards.com/thread...xzz31YxPUCLT


My coin doesn't appear to have a die chip in the 8 and the reverse die is around 10 degrees rotated.

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 Posted 05/13/2014  01:10 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add austinb_10 to your friends list
Thanks Moe145! My coin looks exactly like yours, so now I am 100% confident mine is an O-105! And I'm assuming that rotated dies are fairly common then, but would being at arpund 30° add any value at all to the coin, seeing that it is double the mint tolerance? And What do you believe the value of mine is? The place I got it from had it graded at VG -10. Any help with this is appreciated, and even if the coin is nothing special, its still a really cool piece to me!
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