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"Average Circulated"

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 Posted 08/19/2007  10:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Metalman to your friends list
I corrected the number ,thanks for pointing out the error .

Metalman
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 Posted 08/19/2007  11:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Amazon99 to your friends list
Average circulated to me would be a fine since it's right down the middle but most ebay auctions that means AG-G.
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 Posted 08/20/2007  01:36 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add paland to your friends list
I agree that on ebay, the term "average circulated" means A-G3 to G-4. But I would think Metalman has it right when he says AG-3 to VF-35. Maybe I'm too strict on my grading but most of the sellers overgrade their auctions by a full grade. Meaning an XF-45 is usually just a VF-35, etc. So when I look at the prices, I take it down a notch and then maybe buy an auction if I think it's a deal.
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 Posted 08/20/2007  04:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list
I see average circulaed as being a variable thing depending on what series you are dealing with.
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 Posted 08/20/2007  06:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add NumisMattyUk to your friends list
I'm with Dawayne, as "Fine" just seems to be what you expect of a coin with regards to condition and most coins which are not antiques you would expect to be somewhere around this "Fine" condition.
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 Posted 08/20/2007  08:02 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list
I would think it depends on where a coin is being circulated. If used in a lot of washing machines, it would become a G-4 or less. If used once for buying something, it could still be average but now a AU-58.3 If slid across a concrete sidewalk for days and only on one side, it could be MS-60(-)G-3.
For real, never heard the term before.
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 Posted 08/20/2007  11:23 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add halfabustisbetter to your friends list
I must admit the term causes confusion for me. Maybe it's used because it causes confusion. If you search the term in ebay you get several listings that use the term in the title, and if you search the title and description, there are over 1000 listings that use the term.

On ebay, I've determined that for some sellers, average circulated means "I don't have anything nice to put in the listing title about these coins so I'll call them 'average circulated'." For others it means something like "used but not poor, damaged, or obliterated."

I found a couple of examples done by someone who touts membership in ANA, NENA, CONECA, JRCS, SPMC, LTS, and CWTS as I was looking through the listings last night: http://cgi.ebay.com/2-Hawaii-Dime-1...ed_W0QQitemZ290151922217QQihZ019QQcategoryZ867QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem and http://cgi.ebay.com/1895-O-Key-Date...ed_W0QQitemZ290152253167QQihZ019QQcategoryZ139812QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

These are the listings that got me curious about the term and what people think it might mean.

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 Posted 08/20/2007  12:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add morganman to your friends list
quote:
I see average circulated as being a variable thing depending on what series you are dealing with.



I agree. The condition of an "average circulated" Lincoln Memorial cent would be much different from the condition of an "average circulated" SLQ quarter.

MM

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 Posted 08/20/2007  12:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add inacoffeebuzz to your friends list
I think it's synonymous with "buyer beware"
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 Posted 08/20/2007  1:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hunter20ga to your friends list
Average circulated usually means that the coin is AG-G and or has problems, in my experience. It's a way of not giving a grade to a coin and making it sound better than it is. If a seller could honestly say a coin is VF, they will do so. If they want to imply that a coin is better than G, but not be held to it, they say it's "average circulated condition." Since there's no consensus on what that means, a seller can't be held responsible.
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 Posted 08/20/2007  1:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chrycopaul to your friends list
Reach in your pocket and take a peek at the coins. That should be average circulated. I never considered it to be a gradem just a guide line. If someone is looking for average circulated coins, I think they are just looking for hole fillers from average coins you would find from circulation. When you start getting into key and semi key dates the whole idea of A/C does not apply and the coins should be graded accordingly.
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 Posted 08/20/2007  4:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add greyhav to your friends list

I filled a lot of cent spots in folders from McQueeney coins. They have grades of "filler", and "average circulated", but then use normal grades above that. The filler is usually G, but could be cleaned or scratched. The average circulated is usually VG for not so common dates, but are much better for common dates.
http://www.mcqueeneycoins.com/grading.shtml
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 Posted 08/20/2007  6:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add fengk to your friends list
For me, there's a big spread for what I consider to be "average circulated". It really needs to be defined by how a coin of that particular type was circulated. A Barber dime, for example, was very heavily circulated. For me, something that was "average circulated" is anywhere from AG-VG. Mercury dimes, however, weren't as heavily circulated, so an "average circulated" is probably VFish. Roosevelt dimes are probably anywhere from XF-AU for anything "average circulated".

It's all relative for me. I really don't like the term, as it covers such a broad spectrum of grades. I just look at the coin, and take whatever the seller says with a grain of salt whey buying a coin (the major exceptions being if it's a dealer I know very well).
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 Posted 08/20/2007  10:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sllyonsjr421 to your friends list
I think hunterga20 hit it right on the nose. Seems some ebay sellers use that alot so they cant be "held" so to speak to a grade.
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 Posted 08/21/2007  01:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Always Write to your friends list
Agree - hunterga20 nailed it. On ebay, always read carefully and see what you are GUARANTEED. Anything else is bunk. Think about it: if they're leaving themselves wiggle room, there's a reason. If they say a coin lot is guaranteed to come with X, and MAY have Y, you will only get X. And if they use a vague term like "average circulated," that means they can send you any terrible coin they want, and you can't complain about it.
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